The fibre industry and the fashion industry are two different worlds Michiel Scheffer studied Geography in Utrecht and wrote a Masters thesis on technological change in the clothing industry in Flanders and Northern France. He continued with a PhD on delocalisation of production in the Dutch, Belgian, French and English clothing industries. From 1991 to 2000, Scheffer represented the Netherlands in Euratex as staff member and director of the Dutch Clothing Industry Association (now Modint). He continued research work and was involved in or led six studies for the European Commission on textiles and three for the Dutch government. He is now Program Manager for Sustainable Textiles at WUR, Chairman of Texplus and Secretary of the Dutch Circular Textile Valley. He has recently contributed to five studies commissioned by the Dutch government on circular textiles. Scheffer talks to