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they are forfeiting a status in society that they have enjoyed and that many believe that they're entitled to when you think about it in terms of it in sort of a us versus them, good versus evil, how do we fight back against them, that relationship with donald trump makes a lot of sense. >> i want to for a moment step away from the cultural identity and talk about the theological, the messianic type of messages that donald trump is involved in. i want to play a little bit of an interview that nbc had with a trump supporter named bethany at a caucus event in iowa. let's talk about it on the other side. >> i'm being indicted for you. my first thought went to, well, jesus christ died for my sins. and so i -- it connects in my brain that way, like, okay, he's doing this for us as a country to make the changes we need to make and he's the target. we don't have to be.