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Retrieve clearly relate to that time period, right around the election. All those materials could be relevant. Its fairly typical for prosecutors to obtain social media from the platforms like twitter, like facebook and others. I think the only reason this is getting so much attention is that they resisted in this case, and it had to go to the Appeals Court to get timely compliance. But clearly the evidence here that is important to jack smith in the investigators. So im sure well see pieces of that during the trial. Thats right. Twitter, elon musk, resisted, and the company was fined 350,000 bucks for delaying the execution of that Search Warrant. Were also still learning more on the previously secret memo laying out a plan and a roadmap for the fake electors scheme that was to overturn the 2020 election. Theres a lot in this memo, and i think with the memo really does here is contextualize all the events we have been getting, from the january six subcommittee, and from this indictment. It makes clear that this was an effort, an effort that they knew was going to basically defraud the American Public as to how the election was conducted and ultimately to delay the counting of the vote, prompting this to go to the United States Supreme Court, thereby compromising any victory that joe biden might claim. Meanwhile, all eyes are on the Court Schedule and the classified documents case in florida. What wall nauta and queloz the despite the fact that oliveira has said he cannot find a defense attorney, i claimed that a whole lot of florida lawyers see is just another delay tactic. While trumps month scheduled to appear, his lawyers are still filing motions, most recently they ask that the government reestablish a sensitive compartmented informations facility. You know what that. Is ask. If they want to skip at maralago so trump can view sensitive discovery materials in his arm. Let me just make this clear for you. In a criminal case accusing the former president of illegally keeping classified documents at his palm beach club, he now wants special permission to view those classified documents at the alleged scene of the crime, and one more time, trump and his allies keep arguing that there are two justice systems in this country. By asking for the special treatment, he is asking for special treatment. He is saying that there are two systems, and he wants to be a part of the goodwin. Finally, as we expect to get a Charging Decision in georgia next week, the Atlanta Journalconstitution says indictments could focus on efforts to target some of the regular people that are at the heart of this case. Weve seen people, including ruby freeman and shaye moss also testified about exactly as they did not have the january Six Committee about the incredible effect, the damaging effect all of this had on them in their personal lives, their personal safety, receiving multiple Death Threats, and they were far from the only ones. Okey dokey. Lets get smarter with the help of our leadoff panel. We definitely david need help tonight. Lets bring former u. S. Attorney joyce vance, New York Times justice reporter glenn thrush, and veteran journalist and political white house editor sam stein. Joyce, can we start with the Search Warrant of trumps twitter account . How would that be useful in a criminal trial . In order to get a Search Warrant you have to convince a judge that you have probable cause to believe that you will recover fruits or evidence of a crime in the place to be searched. That is very interesting, because much of what goes on in a twitter account is public. We all read trumps tweets. It seems likely that prosecutors wanted something behind the scenes, perhaps dms that the former president sent or received, perhaps they wanted a review of his search terms. But we can be certain that he had a very they had a very highlevel evidence of the presented to the federal job judge to obtain this unusual. It was clear this went off beyond because the judge issued a nondisclosure order which requires a much higher standard. All right, glenn, it seems like elon musk wanted to help his old friend donald trump. Twitter complained that the nondisclosure order that was included with the warrant violated the First Amendment. Do you think thats true . Where they really acting in good faith here . I have no way of knowing that. But i do know that the First Amendment argument is going to be the core of trumps defense in the january six case. As joyce said, its really extraordinary. And one of the defining characteristics of trump, in terms of the way that he communicated apart from late night phone calls, was that he had an aversion to using the texts on his phone because he thought that those could be retrieved. So if the presumption, and we dont know if its true, that he was using dms instead of texts, that would be pretty ironic because i think his intention, typically are not using texts, was to evade this kind of scrutiny. Sam, Donald Trumps team fine found out about this in june, but hes only come pet complaining about this today, and hes doing it on social media, calling it a major hit on his civil rights. If he really felt that way, whats he been doing for the last two months . Well, hes been complaining about other things. Each chapter of this saga he goes to his new social media outlet, truth social, to fire off a complaint. Im with glenn on this, i would find it extraordinary and out of character if trump was communicating to dms. First of all, he wasnt known for writing his tweets per se, but dictating them to aids within write them from his account. So perhaps theres something we dont know about in terms of the files information that the government wanted from twitter. But i do think the extraordinary thing is that twitter didnt fight it. The Nondisclosure Agreement attached to it. But the fact that trump didnt bark about it until now, although i would say trumps been barking about a bunch of stuff related to his legal problems. Twitter didnt comply, a reminder they had to pay 350 grand for that. Joyce, help us understand this memo from kenneth chesebro. Walk us through what it means. And do you see this thing being a key piece of evidence . Yes. This is definitely incredibly important. Chesebro is, of course, widely believed to be coconspirator number five, one of the unindicted coconspirators in the Trump Indictment connected to january 6th. And here is what happens. Chesebro, who is a harvard educated lawyer, someone who understands election law and has worked on these issued, issues comes up with this squirrelly theory that becomes this notion that you can use fake slates of electors to circumvent the will of the american people. And when he writes about it in 2020, he acknowledges that its really pushing the envelope, and that the Supreme Court wont go for it. But he suggested we be put into in place because it can accomplish two goals. It can perpetuate this myth of fraud that trump ultimately pushes. It can also buy a little extra time for some litigation to proceed, and perhaps to add a few numbers to the trumps side of the occasion in the election. So in other words, this is what i would call as a prosecutor allay out of the fraud. The layout of the conspiracy the people ultimately joined on to and try to perpetrate on the american people. This is a seminal document in this conspiracy, and it really highlights chesebros role, and its worth, stephanie, making sure our viewers understand, know this is someone who took a job at the Justice Department after trump lost the election. Now look, this is when political folks are leaving doj and other government agencies, not going their fresh. And why might he have gone there . Jeffrey clark, the man who wanted to be attorney general, is an environmental lawyer. Hes not an election law lawyer. And yet he somehow came up with these letters, with these plans that would be sent to states, pushing certain sorts of notions about Electoral Fraud and weaponizing doj as part of trumps scheme. It really looks like chesebro is very likely the language between john eastman in Jeffrey Clark and that that explains his sudden appearance at doj after the election was lost and the critically important use that this memo was put to. Again, we are not talking about some flybynight attorneys. We are talking about harvard educated, well respected scholars. And this is what where they are up to. Sam, lets talk about this other part of the investigation. Im megan interested. Jack smith looking into trumps pack. What are you hearing about that . Well, look, part of this case rests on the idea that trumps operations were essentially deceiving voters, knowingly raising money for something that they knew was either a moon shot or plain old unlikely to happen legal challenge to the election. Thats fraudulent. Youre taking money from unsuspecting people by promising them something in the knowingly doing Something Else with it. This ties back to the chesebro memo which is, look, fundamentally what he was outlining was not a legitimate philosophical or legal avenue for challenging the election. He was trying to create a predicate to create crayons chaos. In that chaos they were hoping that somehow congress would find a way, or the Supreme Court would enact a rule that trump could stay in office. If youre outlining those memos, if youre raising money from people in order to effectuate that, thats quite another. The fundraising has always been central to the investigation. If youre knowingly trying to raise money for something faulty, it could form the basis of profound charges. Glenn, lets go to florida. Are we supposed to believe the trumps codefendant, Carlos To Leveller all the, vera couldnt find advance attorney . Very hard to find. Good representation in florida. I mean anybody whos been around the courthouse there knows you literally ive retain several attorneys when i was down there covering [laughter] again, de oliveira might be having a problem retaining attorneys and knowing about the political organization, for attorney stan woodward, walt now to his attorneys being paid through that facts are the now under the same umbrella and the implication is this is part of the same tactic. Well see how much judge cannon or the magistrates down there are willing to tolerate, but this doesnt seem like something that is sustainable. He could, presumably, be assigned an excellent public defender, which move quite an interesting decision scenario. But i dont think its gonna get there. Joy, style trumps been complaining about a two tiered justice system, and now hes got this request for a scif to be built, to be put together maralago, which would put his justice system, him on top of the throne. Or is the judge actually gonna entertain this . Well, it is aileen cannons steps or dont want to lay any bets on that. But no, no judge would entertain this seriously. They do not have the authority to tell the Intelligence Community where and how to build a skiff. Scifs dont maintain their own integrity. Probably a lot of folks have not seen the inside of one. They require a number of steps to build a number of layers of authorization insecurity inspection. Theres a lot that goes into it. Theyre extraordinarily expensive by the square foot to build, and you will not be stunned to learn that it takes a while. Its typically not something that happens overnight. This is just another delay tactic by trump. He knows that the motion isnt meritorious. Perhaps the judge will entertain it for some period of time. If she were even to granted, the government would have to go to the 11th circuit, which will quickly smack it down. But nonetheless at every stage we are seeing trump play out his delay strategy. This is not a serious request. Former president s do not get their own scifs after the current president has denied them the clearance to continue to receive the daily briefing. Trump is a security risk, plain and simple. All right, before i let you three go, i want to make a quick pit stop to georgia. Sam, we keep hearing the trump is facing possible racketeering charges there. Havent we seen this approach throughout his entire career . The charges around his familys charity, trump university, even the coconspirators named in jack smiths case. Are we not seeing a clear, this is clearly a pattern of behavior from this guy . Correct. Yes. There is a wellestablished pattern. It predates his time as president. Looks like it will go after his time as president. Georgia and presents unique challenges for obvious reasons, chief among them that the state prosecution, if trump were to find his way back into the white house, he could probably dismiss some of the federal charges against him. That will not be the case with georgia. Thats why this is a very compelling case. It certainly is. Arent they all. Joyce vance, glenn thrush, sam stein, thank you all for starting us off tonight. I wish we had another two hours, because were so much more we need to cover. But when we come back, an alleged threat against President Biden and so the Fatal Shooting involving the fbi. Former fbi agent clint watts helps us break down what happened. And later, gmc eo mary barra shares her Economic Outlook for america in a oneonone you wont want to miss. The 11th hour, just getting underway on a wednesday night. When nature and science get together. Pretty sweet things can happen. Like our senokot laxative gummies. To relieve occasional constipation, senokot starts with the Natural Senna Plant that science transforms into a yummy gummy sweet senokot laxative gummies. Wow, you get to watch all your favorite stuff. Sweet its to die for. And its all right here. 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My colleague Peter Alexander has the details. The fbi says it happened at 6 15 this morning in nearby utah. They were serving an Arrest Warrant and a suspect who they say was approximately 70 to 75 years old. There was a big boom. And then there was another one, and another one. In court documents, the fbi says robertson posted on social media, i hear biden is coming to you. And he was cleaning the dust off of his sniper rifle. This post, according to the fbi shows a picture of his weapons, along with threats ahead of the 2024 election cycle. The documents say robertson posted threats to kill Vice President kamala harris. In the democratic d. A. In manhattan alvin bragg who is now prosecuting former president trump. During surveillance in march, the fbi says it observed robertson wearing a hat bearing the words. Trump and when agents attempted to speak with, tim robinson ups replied i said it was a dream. Adding were not return without a warrant. For more, i would like to bring in clint watts, west Point Graduate Army veteran former fbi special agent and distinguish Research Fellow at the Foreign Policy research institute. Clint, this is scary. People say offensive things about leaders every day. What do you think happened here that made the fbi feel they had to move. Stephanie, i think it is probably because of threats known as interstate threats. In that charged, document that were very clearly about the target. President biden. Also talking about you talk. You could see was talking about even what weapon he was going to use so it was very specific. At the same point, it is not unusual. I have done one of these before where somebody makes a threat on the internet. You go out, you do basically a contact a visit to try to gauge how serious it is. It sounds like the gentlemen, when you read the document was not very friendly. Was not warm at all to the fbi agents that were there. And that really sets off alarm bells i think. Oftentimes you out, you talk to somebody maybe in the heat of the moment today said something outlandish on social media. They walk it back. So all of these items lined up. I did time where we are seeing a lot of threats being put towards the judicial system, towards Law Enforcement officers and towards President Biden. So i think they probably thought it was time to do something. And it ended tragically tonight. He allegedly mentioned also wanting to kill Vice President harris. Manhattan d. A. Alvin bragg. What does that say to you about a possible motive . Stephanie, this is so on you had asked about, should we surand really, we want to worry about is

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