Threatening federal prosecutors. Today, the judge in that case could decide exactly how much he can talk about it. It comes as federal prosecutors are now pushing for a trial right after new years day. Cue up u2. Well have much more on trumps legal issues ahead. Good morning. Welcome to morning joe. It is i mean, come on, man, its august. Its august. This is moving. This year is moving too fast. Its midaugust. You know, you get old like me, and it just flies, right . Its august 11th. With us, we have the host of way too early, White House Bureau chief at politico, Jonathan Lemire. Host of politics nations, wearing tan today, the reverend al sharpton. Looks good. Come on, man. President obama wore tan, and look what happened. It was a big news story. With me, its just another day. Can you believe that . That was a big news story. The president of the United States wearing tan in the white house. We have a the same people that were upset by that are now, like, hey, its really cool. We support a guy thats actually trying to overthrow the federal government. Yeah, its more of a news story to them to wear a tan suit than it is to try and put fake electors in to decide who is going to be president. That doesnt matter. Have a riot that you watched there on television in the white house, and do nothing for hours to stop it. Thats all right. Yeah. But just dont wear tan. Dont wear tan. I grew up in, like, Northwest Florida, where everything was poplin. You wore tan. Im sorry, i cant do this anymore. I have mixed minus. It is like phil specter is in my ear. You wore poplin, seersucker, and you know this, you walked two blocks to the courthouse, and it is like somebody hosed you down. Its so hot outside. Its awful. We also have congressional investigations reporter for the Washington Post, jackie alemany. And State Attorney for palm beach, florida, dave aronberg. And staff writer of can new yorker, susan glasser. Want me to try this . Check. Its still there. If we plugged this up to, like, the edges guitar, itd work perfectly. A lot of echo. Im taking it back out again. Okay. Listen, i know you told phil not to bet on the red sox. Yeah. He wouldnt listen to you. Now look. He lost 200 million. We told him. We dont have a starting staff. Dont do it, phil. This is a fools errand. Story is out today according to a memoir put out by an accomplished and acclaimed, apparently, gambler, that Phil Mickelson gambled over 1 billion over the last decade. Including betting on the Ryder Cup Team in 2012 while he was on the team. Mickelson denies that, but it is extraordinary stuff. This gambler said it is pete rose territory. Pete rose stuff, gambling on your own events. Mickelson said he likes to have a friendly wager now and then. His Gambling Prowess is wellknown, but these are extraordinary numbers. Itll raise eyebrows if it is, indeed it is one thing for a golfer to bet on march madness. It is another thing to bet on golf that youre involved in. Did the red sox win last night. Won 20. Paxton was good. Three out of four against the royals, which theyre supposed to do against a bad team. Doesnt matter much. It doesnt matter. No. Lets get to the news. Federal prosecutors have proposed a start date for Donald Trumps trial and charges related to his alleged efforts to overturn the 2020 Election Results. In a filing yesterday, special counsel jack smith, not deranged, asked for the judge to have the trial start on january 2nd, 2024, to, quote, vindicate the publics strong interest in a speedy trial, an interest guaranteed by the constitution. Trumps lawyers, however, argued that it is the defendant guaranteed the right to a speedy trial. In this case, one would not benefit their client. They have until next thursday to propose their own start date, which is likely to be after the 2024 election. Dave, I Got A Feeling, I Got A Feeling the judge is going to be a lot closer to the prosecutors date than whatever date Donald Trumps legal team comes up with, because it is going to be so far removed from a rational date. Yeah, i think this is the case thats going to go first. You dont have the complicated issues like the Documents Case. You have a judge in judge chutkan who wants to keep the ball rolling, so i think this is going first. This is still a complicated case, seven states, unindicted c coconspirators. Not as serious as wearing a tan suit, but it is serious. It could be delayed beyond january, but it definitely goes before the election and maybe even the Documents Case. Jackie, i mean, weve been looking at these different cases, and it does seem, does it not, this January 6th Case, even though the scope of the crime seems so much larger to the general public, the actual charges are pretty tight, right, compared to the Documents Case, which, again, seems like they have him dead to right there. You have so Many NationalSecurity Issues that are going to take a long time to wade through. We havent spoken to jack smith himself about this, but what we have heard from experts, former prosecutors, people in his outer circle, is that this was done purposefully, in order to skirt some of the other delays and road bumps and speed bumps that could come up if his scope was a little bit broader, if there were indicted coconspirators. Instead, he is going strictly after trump. Even judge Aileen Cannon who is a bit more sympathetic toward trump had rejected their ask for the case being after the 2024 election. Its still sort of crazy to say 2024 election out loud. Like i said, things are moving fast. Yeah. Its coming. So if you have someone like her who is giving Moving Up Trial Times, its more than likely judge Tanya Chutkan will rule in favor of prosecutors and jack smith. By the way, lets talk about judge cannon for a second. I havent talked to you since that very interesting order that came out a couple days ago. She did a couple things that seemed bizarre. She did. She did something that trumps lawyers didnt even ask for, questioned the propriety of the grand jury that exists in d. C. , and exposed it to the public. Youre allowed to have another grand jury. Why would she do that . She knows there are often more than one grand jury. Why would she expose another grand jury . It is interesting, joe. Trump lawyer jim trustee was on a rightwing show and said that there is a problem with having the separate grand jury. This was the day before the ruling came out. It made some people think that, was that a message sent from trumps team to the judge . Now, im not going to accuse anyone of impropriety, but it is peculiar she decided to do that when no one asked for that to be briefed. She said, now, i want you to tell me whether you can have a Second Grand Jury. But a Second Grand Jury can be used to investigate other crimes and to indict other people. So i think this issue is really bizarre, and it makes me think that were back to the judge cannon of 2022 instead of judge cannon 2. 0. Yeah. And you look, Jonathan Lemire, not to get off on this issue too long, but, i mean, if you go to The Drudge Report any day, you see the mistakes shes made. You know, shes just not had much trial experience. But in this case, it seems all the mistakes are breaking trumps way, at least in the Documents Case, which, again, why we are saying this, this explains, in part, i think, why jack smith kept his indictment so tight of donald trump. Because hes in a rocket docket, and that thing is actually going to move. Yeah, any 50 50 ball in this case is going to trump from judge cancannon. Shes been deferential to his teams arguments, and that does seem like jack smith is trying to move forward on a tight case here in the Election Interference. Susan, its not just that it is january 2nd, the day after new years, which trump was fiated on in his truth social post, but it is two weeks out of the iowa caucus. Have they set that, january 15th in. It is the republican date for the iowa caucus. It is less than two weeks out. This is the first example of how often that Donald Trumps legal issues are going to overshadow his efforts to come back to the white house. Well, thats right. I mean, theres a Collision Course thats happening. Theres no question about it, between the 2024 primaries and, you know, Donald Trumps role in courtroom dates in 2024. My concern for a while has been, though, that millions of reicill have ended up voting before these charges end up being resolved. January 2nd is an opening bid from the prosecutors. Lets stipulate to the idea that the judge wants it to move forward quickly and that it slips not too much. Well, that means youre going to have this extraordinary Split Screen Spectacle of Donald Trump On Trial in a criminal courtroom every day. You have to show up for that, unlike a civil case. Right in the middle of the campaigning. So he will be basically fusing his Campaign Message is that he is a victim in this courtroom. Weve already seen, i think, a preview of the kind of vurtuprative attacks hes going to launch. Im concerned were hurdling toward an unprecedented, once again, crisis, you know, from donald trump. His incredible selfabsorption is leading us right back into a National Drama in which were not going to be able to get this guy out of our heads. 2024 is going to be, once again, the personal drama of donald trump inflicted on all of us really. Yikes. Thank you so much for that, susan. We are now depressed for the rest of 2023 and all of 2024. We fear into 2025. Were learning more about the shooting death of a man who posed online threats to assassinate President Biden and several other democratic officials. The fbi says craig d. Robertson pointed his gun at agents early wednesday morning when they tried to serve warrants in his home in provo, utah. Agents shot and killed him after he didnt respond to their commands. Earlier this week, robertson posted that he was preparing his camouflage and sniper rifle for President Bidens trip to utah. The fbi says theyve been monitoring the 75yearolds activities online for months. It was confirmed that Donald Trumps own social media site, truth social, i guess theyre part of The Deep State now, alerted the fbi to robertsons Online Activity back in march. It was actually the responsible thing to do. The warning was prompted by an extremely graphic threat made against Manhattan District Attorney alvin bragg. First of all, thanks, again, to the people at truth social. It said that this is a real threat to the president of the United States. But as far as trump goes, its hard to come up with an argument you know, dave, ill tell ya, when youre in law school, youre trying to figure out who is libel, there is the but for test. But for Jonathan Lemire driving, you know, driving wildly down a street after the red sox loss, take him from the scene, but for jonathan, there wouldnt have been that crash at the intersection, where doors opened up and it was kegs, kegs rolled all across. Tough childhood you had in boston. But in this case, if you do that test, its hard to imagine this man being dead, but for the and pointing rifles at the fbi and threatening to assassinate joe biden for stealing the election. Its hard to imagine this ever happening but for jonathan trumps continued lies. Again, this guy keeps lying. And its his most intense followers who pay for it. Some pay for it with their Social Security checks that they send to scam drives to help for his Legal Defense. Others pay for it by spending years in jail because they actually listened to him leading up to january 6th. And this man paid for it with his life. He bought into the lies. He bought into the Conspiracy Theory. Now, because of donald trump, you know, you could make the argument, hes dead. You can make the argument that he is dead because of donald trump. No, you and you wouldnt be too far removed from exactly that. Look at the people that are in jail for january 6th that would not be in jail if it were not for donald trump. So if you go from january 6th, people that were convicted that are now doing time, to this man dead because he would post this kind of threat on the president , who donald trump was, until that day, saying was not the president , was a fraud and all of these things, you cant take donald trump out of the story. Its like you and i grew up baptist, like an evangelist coming to town and conning people out of their money, that jesus is coming tomorrow. Give me all of your money, and then calling their wives saying, you know, your husband is spending his money irresponsibly. You lured them into doing it, and thats who donald trump is. You know what we called those people who would come to our church and tell them jesus was coming back next week . What is that . Cuseday. It was next week hold on a second, the late, great planet earth. This may be to sell books or to get money. Nobody knows the exact time when jesus is coming back. They did not wear tan suits. No, they did not. Probably white, Patent Leather shoes, head to toe, big smile. The hair that comes across, perfectly styled like lindsey graham, and all the people say, amen. All right. Jackie, i dont know how i segue out of that one. Well, i think we need to rebrand the suit. It is a camel suit, very fashion forward, expertly tailored. Wait a second. I always liked you, too, jackie. Is that camel hair . It may be. Its not camel hair. Its just no, not the actual hair, but thats more nuanced than tan. Yeah. Learned from obama. Shes saying from my description of the suit, it is pedestrian. If youre fashion forward, youd call it camel, right . Well, there is this amazing man on twitter who talks all about expert tailoring. I dont know why i follow him, but ive learned a lot. What is his name . I need to do that. Ill find him. Let me know. Im hearing polyester is the next big craze. Im joking, mika. Im joking. All right. Lets continue to Bob And Weave in and out of all of this stuff. Jackie, again, talking about the tragedy that happened in utah, its really its not just the conspiracy against joe biden and against democrats thats so deadly here. Its this constant attack against the fbi. Right. Since the fbi has been forced to investigate donald trump, getting his documents. They tried to get the fbi agents names so they could be threatened. There was, you know, these stories about this Fevered Pitch Hunt to unmask the fbi agents that actually did the search. Right. But doesnt this show the cost of telling people, whether its on fox news or coming for donald trump, that the fbi is coming after you, theyre coming to knock down the doors of your home and theyre coming to shoot you, and you hear it time and time again. When you make a threat against the president of the United States, the fbi comes to check it out, your gun is up. Again, hard not to look at all these lies and Conspiracy Theories against the fbi and not say they were responsible for the death of this man. I think its really smart and necessary to look at all of these attacks in that context. Of no one comes into Donald Trumps incinerator without being tarnished in some way. From the Insurrectionistinsurre The Campaign Congress is running to defend trump against the fbi and Justice Department, all these have reallife consequences. Talking about defunding. Fbi. It is anathema to the Republican Party and everything conservatives have stood for for quite some time, up until trump. But, i mean, when you look at the trail that trump has left in his wake, its really important, i think, to talk about these sorts of cases and kind of lump them in and show that rhetoric matters. At the end of the day, you know, leveling all of these threats against alvin bragg, fani willis, were just waiting for Tanya Chutkan to get thrown into the mix there, they have consequences. The fbi is just trying to do their jobs here, despite whatever spin were inevitably going to hear in rightwing media today about sort of how, again, these Talking Points, that the fbi is, you know, a tool of the Biden Administration and has been weaponized. Right. We should note, nbc is reporting just this week, judge chutkan has to increase her security detail. She had three agents with her yesterday just to get coffee where else in the courthouse. Dave, the political rhetoric is so divisive and heated, and violence is infused into the talk from the right. We heard donald trump recently talk about how there will be riots in the streets if he is convicted on any of these charges. We have discussed on this show quite a