Government shutdown. Its every monday night like this . Just asking for a friend. The House On Fire something tells Me Congresswomen and see pelosi has a few things to get off her chest. The speaker emeritus here on set, and she is coming up first. Plus, the head of the july joins knowledge more dangerous votes on social, media and he might have committed a felony today in south carolina. Andrew weissmann is standing by with his reaction. Also tonight, we are counting down to the first live interview with the star witness at the january six committee. Rachel maddow joins me with Cassidy Hutchinson. Later, as the president and his Predecessor Jewel for backtoback visits to michigan, did one of them has a long history of broken promises to the same people hes trying to pitch. Remember when the Government Shutdown in 2013 . I sure, to my first guest definitely does. In case you dont, let me refresh your memory. Basically, republicans like mike lee and ted cruz, and a bunch of other ones were angry about providing health care to more people. They were so intense on Defunding Obamacare that they shut the government down. At that, time i was working in the Obama Administration and i, thought we were dealing with the most unreasonable obstructionist bad faith actors that i would ever encounter in my career in washington. Ive got to, say this fight right now about whether or not tough on the government has made 2013 seem kind of like the good old days. At least that 2013 shutdown was about something. It was a ridiculous policy and they were definitely, wrong but at least it was not policy disagreement, the hidden obamacare, and they wanted to and. It today, the most powerful members of this House Republican congress, who are determining the agenda of that conference dont have any agenda at all. They literally cannot articulate what this is all about. Their agenda is to seize the role of government altogether. Their agenda is to burn it all down. That is the entire guiding principle of the most powerful wing of this caucus. That doesnt seem to be the registering for who had the sense well, you have to keep the government open, if people want to close the, government it only makes it. Weaker why would they want to stop paying the, troops or stop paying the Border Agents in the coast guard . I dont understand how that makes you stronger, i dont understand what point theyre trying to make. Doesnt it kind of sound like hes an observer, a spectator, not the speaker of the house . The person third and lie to the presidency . My first guest tonight refers to him as the shrinking speaker. Its pretty apt, because he has no control and does not seem to know how to assert. Its the most powerful members in the caucus or taking their case, not from, him but from maralago. They are not even hiding it. If donald trump posted last night, quote, unless you get everything, shut it. Down thats to be exactly what they plan to. Do lets be, honest this was all kind of predictable. Despite their brief flirtation when they were on the Campaign Trail with pretending to want to govern on issues like addressing inflation, and lowering gas, prices theyre blowing it all up agenda has been there guiding principle in the majority. Just consider a few of their crowning achievements over the last few months. They spent countless, im talking countless hours, on meaningless resolutions intended to punish their political enemies. Like, say Censuring Democratic congressman adam schiff, what a good use of time. They have been trying to retaliate against federal Law Enforcement for daring to hold donald trump accountable. They were threatening to defund the justice department, and the fbi. Earlier this, month when congress came back from their longer recess with time running out to fund the government, the very first thing Kevin Riccardi did, under pressure of his right flank was launched a bogus Impeachment Inquiry into joe biden without a purpose. Because this congressman or because donald trump told them to. So the connections here . What exactly do they want to impeach him for is really anyones guess at this point. Here we, are just five days from the government shutting down, which will happen huge and whats on their agenda this week . Well, they are making time in their schedule to hold their first impeachment hearing. Just two days before Government Funds run out. Oversight committee made it official, in just a few hours ago with the witness list and everything. His Committee Says republicans are going to finally do what they have tried, and failed to accomplish over the last eight months that theyve been looking into. This quote, presenting evidence knowledge of and role in his familys International Business practices. It sounds a lot like what weve been hearing for months. Look, Whether Mccarthy wants to go along with all of this or not, this Impeachment Inquiry and Government Shutdown, it does not really have a choice. Without the nile of his party, he wont be speaker. Because of, that he seems to be unwilling to tell them. Now all of this begs the question, is being speaker so great . Especially when members of your own party seem to humiliate you on a daily basis . Im just wondering. From my vantage, point the man third in line for the presidency has found himself hostage basically to a group of people who have no desire for him to succeed, and no desire for the institution of congress to work. None of this is about different approaches to governing, or policy views. Theyve literally want to shut down the government. Its about ceasing the role of government altogether. That is the undergo. Mister speaker, when you ask the point the answer is pretty clear. Their agenda is dysfunction. Thats the whole point. Joining me now is the House Speaker congressman nancy pelosi of california. Thank you so much for joining me this evening. Its great to see you. Its great to see you, congratulations on your new time slot. Its a wonderful show. My pleasure to do so, thank you. I want to speak to you, youve been in congress for more than three decades, two of those decades in leadership. Have you ever seen the house this dysfunctional . Its pretty dysfunctional, but all three of the shutdowns we have had had been under republican speakers. Last one, the longest one, and the biggest, one in history was on her republican speaker President Trump who said i take ownership of the shutdown, and now hes encouraging this Republican Congress to shut down governments. It cost the economy tens of billions of dollars, it says to our Men And Women In Uniform who are the military, or in federal Law Enforcement, you are not going to get paid. Its as 2 million women and children and our country, who depend on food assistance, you are not going to be eating. The guest goes on and on in terms of what government does. So, again, this is nothing new to them, however right now, with all of that is going on, all of the challenges that our country faces, it is particularly irresponsible. Its like a, game you have been through many of these before, as he said under republican leadership. All under republican speakers. Theres five days left. Do you think theres a scenario where Speaker Mccarthy can avoid shutdown . I hope so. Of all the bad things that are out there, and what they say in, do a shutdown is a very bad thing for the country. They made an agreement when we had the discussion with the president , they had an agreement about lifting the debt ceiling, they came to terms on a budget number. That was an agreement. Now they are walking away from the agreement, so not only is it a bad idea, in terms of our country, its a bad idea about not keeping it there is a chance that the senate could get a continuing resolution that would keep the government funded in the short term. Everybody is looking for solutions. Here is that something that could potentially avoid a shutdown in the house . What do you think of that option . I have not seen, it its just. New it is indicative of the old slogan that we always use in the house. Not a nine senators are not enough. They have had bipartisan agreement it appeared, and the senate about doing their own continuing resolution and sending it over. It has its parliamentary challenges, but nonetheless, and now they said because object, they cant do. That one 99 senators are not. Enough one senator holding up over 500 appointments, commission come oceans and the rest, in the military. Its just not. Right anyway, to take it back to this, it depends on what it is. We are not just there to vote for anything and the democratic side. We will see where we can find our common ground. We have a responsibility to try to do that. , our leader, and we take our lead from him. Another option is a district politician, or a handful of republicans, not that many could join with democrats, its not something that is under discussion to avoid . This a Discharge Petition as an option, however an order for it to even be considered, you have to have to have a 30day period or address, there and a 30 days it would be shut down. Its a longer term saying, it wont work unless we have something to keep government open. Its past the end of the fiscal, year which is september 30th. Lee of or ovens happening this week is the House Oversight committee holding its first hearing on the biden impeachment, which they have not outlined our purpose for. Its clear what theyre trying to do, here at least to me. Theyre trying to muddy the, waters make President Biden seem corrupt. How do democrats avoid that . Or pushback on that, or prevent it from being an. Issue the factors they had no goods. They have been for months and months and months trying to make some kind of a charge. I dont think they will ever bring it to the floor. They wont have the votes. The remembers and districts that President Biden won, not that there are so far President Biden, but these voters will say thats just not the right way to go. Everybody was on my case in 2007 when we got to the majority, and they wanted us to impeach President Bush for the war in a, rock the misrepresentations going, in departing from afghanistan too soon, all of that. If you have a difference of opinion, you just cant be impeaching impeaching, on the other hand, this is a fake distraction as you said. They dont even have the courage to bring it to the floor, i dont think the speaker has to worry about that. I mean youve been the speaker, before looking at all of the events of this, week what do you think the History Books will say about Kevin Mccarthys role as speaker . It remains to be. Seen he has not had even a full year, much less a full term. I do think its important for people to know what to the position. Is it is the only legislative position mentioned in the constitution of the United States, and by the way its second in line to president. So its number two, so its a highly responsible position, and it also has power. If you decide to use it for the public good, Building Consensus within the congress, to take to go for, for sustainability. Thats why i keep saying, one thing he could do is to take back the Republican Party. The great party, its done great things for our country. Great leadership overtime. Dont let it be turned into a cult, into a thug in my view. This is what is happening. This man is telling them, unless you get everything, nobody gets everything, unless you get everything, shut government down. That should be a Testimony Itself to the speakership of anybody to be taking guidance like that from the outside. Several House Democrats along with new jerseys governor of all called on Senator Menendez to resign. Do you think he should resign . I respect their position they are taking. The charges are formidable. If in fact we are going to say that if youre indicted, you should resign, we have a situation in the house. As you know from the state of new york, that that would hold to. Right, now sadly because of the challenges that we face, because the skepticism that exists in our country about governance, about this Republican Party that does not believe in governance, doesnt believe in science, so they want to take down everything in order to give tax breaks to the wealthiest, weve got to stay focused on that, and for that reason it probably would be a good idea if he did not resign. Do you, this weekend on his failed social media site, donald trump used about the execution of this was flush quite shocking to. Me what was your reaction to that . My reaction is not so much to him, but to the speaker who support him. I respect the differences of opinion that exist in our society, from the beginning of our country. Thats what a democracy is about. People have different, views they debates, them you put it before the, public they make a decision, you go forward. But if you engage in language like, that it should be something that would discredit, would eliminates somebody as a prospect for any public office. Was very courageous, in the military on the battlefield, and in the public arena in the white house. Im saddened to hear that former president would say that just another argument, why he should have never been in the white house, and should never be there again. Twice impeached, once defeated, how many times indicted . Speaker pelosi, thank you for your service, for always speaking out and telling the truth to everyone. It was such a pleasure to have you here this evening. With us its my pleasure to be here congratulations. Again that donald trump can commit a filet today and hes coming up next. Plus Rachel Maddow joins me to with her committee, start witness Cassidy Hutchinson. Later, all the the religious idea that trump is a champion for both unions and bluecollar workers. Were just Getting Started this hour, so stay with. Us. 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