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Ukraine and russia, israel and hamas threatening to spill over into wider conflicts, american leaders on the global stage critical, but we are still facing our own crisis of democracy right here at home one that is easy to overlook when the news of the worlds war. The legal peril facing the twice impeached multiple indicted former president seem to increase in recent days, with the guilty pleas of two highlevel codefendants in the Election Interference case out of fulton county, georgia. But the peril for our own system of governance is increasing too as Donald Trumps own behavior continues to push dangerous lies and the Republican Party continues to be largely beholden to him. In this moment of global crises, americans and the world are looking to american leaders for guidance. But instead of inspiring confidence, our congress is more dysfunctional than it has been in more than 150 years, since the civil war. And that is because donald trump has broken the Republican Party and is now trying to run the u. S. House by proxy. House republicans have not managed in 19 days since ousting their own speaker without a plan for what to do next, to elect a replacement to lead the body. On friday, the House Republican conference voted by Secret Ballot to drop the Election Denier and trump accolade jim jordan as their nominee for speaker, after jordan failed on his third floor vote when he set the record for the fewest votes received by Majority Party nominee for speaker ever. By the way, the last record was held by him. And while we can until at the bit about that, now that georgia is out through the speakership, we should also consider that we are just a bit away overturn the 2020 election. Someone who allegedly urged the Vice President pence to throw out electoral votes. We really almost had that person as the speaker of the house. Second in line to the presidency. Its a very, very bad place to be in as a democracy and the threat is not nearly over. Republican members received threatening messages for not voting for trumps preferred candidate for house speaker. And as the party scrambled to find someone, anyone else for the job, eight of the ten republicans floated for the role so far are Election Deniers themselves. Trump was fine this week and threatened with jail time by the judge in a Civil Fraud Trial for trashing the judges own clerk on social media after being warned not to. Social media attacks, provocative messages, strong arm tactics are the hallmark of trumpism. Weve talked before on the show, many times, about the tactic of political martyr them, about how it serves trump to frame himself as an embattled victim fighting on behalf of his following. Just this, week he posted on Social Media Site Truth social, and i dont normally show pictures of this, but this one is worth it, this bizarre illustration which is in the style of a courtroom sketch, which appears to show him in court alongside, and i do hope you are sitting down for this alongside none other than jesus christ himself as he literally invokes jesus in an effort to jam up support. Its clear that trump and trumpism continue to propose a mounting threat to this country. Joining me now is jennifer rubin, the opinion writer for the Washington Post. She is also an msnbc political analyst. And david graham, a staff writer for the atlantic. Good morning to both of you. Im starting with this one, i dont know how much you follow truth social. But that was, jennifer rubin, even in the world of trump, some weird stuff. Donald trump sitting next to jesus christ in a courtroom. Well, this is part of the course, as you said. This is what donald trump does. He becomes a martyr. Even though hes the one who is provoking violence, even though he is the one who is making threats, even if hes the one endangering the democracy, he brings his troops to his side by playing the, i am the only one who is standing between them whoever them is and his followers, making himself a martyr, making himself in the role of the voice of the people. This is straight from the fascist playbook. This is straight from rightwing authoritarians down to the ages, and frankly, around the world. And it is a very, very dangerous thing when you take on the role of messiah, then you are no longer engaged in democracy or engaged in a cult, a very dangerous cult. David, how do you see this playing out because while the rest of the world looks at this and says this is weird what the republican conference is doing, and how beholden they are to trump, and how they cant manage to agree on a speaker, and the minute they get into a private, you know, a Secret Ballot, the truth seems to come out. There are a whole bunch of people who say that if the republicans give up their maga ism, their trumpism, that the air will all come out of the balloon. And they are really trying to continue this election denial radical extreme stuff. How do you see this playing out in the next few days because there is still no speaker in the house and we are less than a month away from a Government Shutdown . Yeah, i mean part of the problem as we talk about, republican conference, weve seen there is functionally no republican congress. Youve got four, five, or six different groups in their. None of them is large enough to command a majority. None of them can agree that they have very personal problems, political disagreements. So, its hard to see how theyre gonna come together and reach 217 in order to act speaker. I see nothing but chaos for this foreseeable future. Jennifer, it was, im trying to think of who it was yesterday who said i had charlie dent on. And he was making the point that compromise, agreeing with an outcome is what democracy democracy actually is. And it used to be that the republicans would vote for somebody in private, and whoever got the most votes, everybody would then support that person and house. When your house is divided as closely as this one is, thats kind of how it has to work. But there is no leadership. There is no want to tell them that. Theres no want to have a conversation. Its People Like Us to reflect on it, but no one is actually doing it. And the fact that all of the incentive, all of the motivations on the other side is becoming chaos. It is soliciting donald trump, and whenever someone seems to be gaining up momentum for a day or so, it seems to have been tom emmer, donald trump comes to the scene, dont vote for him, dont vote for him. So, because they have given up real politics, which is the art of compromise, the art of Solving Problems in favor of performative politics for the rightwing media. When it comes to actually needing to do something, like picking a leader, they are incapable of doing it. Would break off and probably deal with the democrats, we dont live in that world. And i dont see any group of people. And they are not moderates. They are other conservatives with the spine to say, enough, we have to pick a leader. We gotta govern, and we gotta move forward. I just dont see that happening in the near term. David, there are few wild options out there. First of all, tom emmer, its not a wild option. Hes got some strange beliefs. He calls Climate Change al gore porn. But the bottom line is he is well regarded and hes not an Election Denier. There is the idea that if five republicans vote present and all democrats vote for Hakeem Jeffries, Hakeem Jeffries could be speaker. Im not sure if thats gonna work, but certainly all options are on the table right now. At some point, we have not been in the situation since, i dont know, since literally the civil war where it took them 133 votes to get a speaker. What are you hearing as to what is most likely the road forward is . Its somebody saying, hey, guys, were gonna be 20 days into this tomorrow, this has to come to an end. There are no folks to say that. The closest that the republicans had somebody who can unify the caucus of kevin mccarthy. We saw how that work. Kevin mccarthy handed the gun to the rebels and then shot on them with it. So, you know, his leadership did not work either. And i dont think theres anyone who commands that. Its interesting, as jennifer said, to see the emmer bubble sort of inflate, and then trump go after it. And as long as hes going after this, getting over to the very small number of people, you would have to get to, you know, to allow emmer through, or to form some sort of Coalition Power sharing, its really hard to imagine. Weve seen some of the republicans are willing to thumb their nose of trump a little bit, theyre willing to not vote for jordan, either in private or in public. But thats different from sort of in the open way in mass that we would need for republicans to elect a speaker. This is interesting. This private versus public thing is very telling because, jennifer, you and i were talking about this on friday night, but ken buck has received Death Threats and his landlord who doesnt agree with his political positions is now evicting him, the landlord for his constituency office. I mean, this is just weird stuff in america. Don bacon has received threats. He says his wife is now sleeping next to a loaded gun. Representative Mariannette Millermeeks from iowa has received credible Death Threats. And the interesting thing about all three of, them all sort of policy oriented people who you could agree or disagree with him, but you could have discussion on. Don bacon is a regular on our show. In the house of republican conference, when they were allowed to vote by Secret Ballot, jim jordans support collapsed. He got far less than half of the conference. What does this tell us about where things are with the republican conference right now . Thats right. Over 100 people voted against him, but only 25 had the nerve to do so publicly. And that tells me that fascism is really infecting the Republican Party, the threat of violence, the use of violence instrumentally to get your way rather than through persuasion, argumentation, through a compromise, thats a telltale sign of a fascist regime. And it has been the tactic of the maga republicans to use this against other people outside the party, the press, democrats, members of the court. Now, they are using it against each other, and they are simply outraged that this is going on. Well, that threats were being made against fbi fbi, where were they when trump was making threats to judges and Court Personnel . So, i think what goes around comes around. But on a more serious and kind of historical perspective, this is not the behavior of people who are small democrats. This is something altogether inappropriate. And there is no one in the Republican Party right now who hold office at least, who is willing to say this is utterly unacceptable. We cannot behave this way. And instead they either go along or they do this private public game, where they there are apparently 75 or so who voted in private. But in public, they were willing to put their name on jordans flight. David, this doesnt affect Donald Trumps legal peril, which seems to have increased this week, as we mentioned, because of a couple of his codefendants have decided to plead guilty. But it is Donald Trumps power play at the moment, right . Because it is the place where he can show that hes got power and sway. He is still way ahead in the republican primary vote, whatever happens in court happens in court. But, why is this so important for donald trump, in fact, a couple of republicans, or if you are republicans floated the idea for donald trump as speaker, or a temporary speaker of the house, but why is the republican power play in congress so important for donald trump . This is one place, i mean, i think despite all of the things that you are talking about here, and the way that the republicans are not getting that from trump, its still one of the larger rebellions against him that weve seen from the party. In fact, somebody willing to vote against jim jordans supporting that candidate. In fact someone we will have spoken out and are not willing to just take this i think its a real threat. We havent seen republicans willing to break from him and that we publicly in any setting since 2017 or 2018 maybe. And so, he really needs the push on this. He needs to exert his power. And he wants to try to keep those people in line. He had problems with congress of course when he was president. They wouldnt fall in line and gradually they did. But i think he doesnt want to lose that sort of grip he has right now. Thanks to both of you this morning. Jennifer reuben, opinion writer at the Washington Post and the author of resistance, how women save democracy from donald trump. And david graham is a staff writer at the atlantic. Still ahead and with a familys remain in limbo waiting to learn the fate of their loved ones being held hostage and gaza. 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They switched to google tools for education because theres never been a reported Ransomware Attack on a chromebook. Now theyre focused on learning knowing that their data is secure. although a long way Ground Invasion hanot yet started, an aerial wars raging above the middle east. Deadly israeli airstrikes have put to International Airports in syria out of commission this morning, according to the Syrian Defense ministry, in an apparent attempt to prevent arms shipments from militant groups that support, including hezbollah. Syria, and russia, basically controlling syria. The Israeli Military also announced overnight that it launched an aerial strike on an underground compound at a mosque in the occupied west bank that it believe contained a terror cell. And as air strikes persist, a top official with hezbollah has threatened that israel will pay a price if it initiates a Grnd Offensive in the gaza strip, announcing yesterday that his militant group based in lebanons already, quote, in the heart of the battle, and quote. But not too reported this morning telling soldiers along the northern border of israel, quote, if hezbollah decides to enter the war, it will miss the second lebanon war. That would be its biggest mistake ever. We will cripple it with a force it cannot even imagine, and quote. Joining me now from lebanon is someone who knows a great deal about all of, this is nbc news foreign correspondent, my friend, matt bradley. Matt, there is a lot that i want to unpack here with you. We are seeing what could be escalating into a Conflict Effect being the whole region. There are two things that are happening. One is where you are in lebanon, the other, is when i heard the news of the airstrikes in the west bank, i asked my producers, i have not heard of air strikes in the west bank in a long time. And she said, not since 2006. So we have a one front war in the south, and we have two potential more fronts. Yeah. We have our front right here. We have, right in the border behind me between israel and lebanon, and thats been heating up. We now have 24 hezbollah fighters have been killed so r in the past two weeks, five of them, just in th past day. So clearly, we are seeing this go from a summer into a boil, and were looking like it could breeze up further. But the really interesting thing about all this, is that even as we are seeing a rapid increase in violence, the temple of all of this is heating up. We are still seeing both sides showing restraint. And thats because, on some level, there a

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