Getting trump to trial for Election Interference before hes the nominee almost certainly gone. Before the rnc convention, unlikely there ta. So what happens now . Plus, a horrific tragedy. At least 100 killed according to the health ministry, locals blame Israeli Forces for opening fire. What are the implications for the wider war, and what about the hostage deal that President Biden had suggested could be just days away . And the political showdown playing out in texas today over the one issue that voters say rises above all others. Can President Biden and former President Trump, two men who have had their shot at fixing the border before, convince voters they can fix it now . But we start with Donald Trumps legal and political calendar being rewritten in realtime, with start dates for two and potentially three of his four criminal trials now up in the air, a direct result of the former president s strategy to try to run out the clock. And the Supreme Courts decision to take up trumps argument for president ial immunity may be just the beginning. It leaves on the table the best possible outcome for the former president that he wins his appeal before the court and the charges just go away. While not considered probable, it is possible. Short of that, the more immediate and critical question is timing. The justices wont even hear arguments on immunity until the week of april 22nd and may not issue a ruling until late june or early july with potential jurors told to expect a trial lasting three months, any additional delay could push the trial and the verdict beyond election day. Nbc justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian joins me. Carol lam is former u. S. Attorney and an msnbc legal analyst. Jonathan lemire is Politico White House bureau chief, host of msnbcs way too early and an msnbc political analyst, good to see all of you. So carol, we know the chances oafter January 6th Trial and verdict before election day now gets smaller by the day, and its certainly smaller than it was 24 hours ago. Is it fair to say, carol, that this ruling moves the trial back by at least several months, and what would have to fall into place for jack smith to get a trial done before november . It does move the trial date fairly far back, chris, and id go as far as to say the likelihood that this case is going to trial before the election is now diminishingly small, i dont think its going to happen. And this is why, lets say the Supreme Court hears Oral Arguments the week of april 22nd, as they said they would, and they can take up to the end of june pretty much to rule within this term, as they probably will do. Remember during this entire time that the case has been up on appeal both in the Appellate Court and in the Supreme Court, all The Trial Proceedings have been stayed. So judge chutkan has not been able to move forward with the trial in any manner. That is to say she hasnt been able to ask for briefing on preTrial Motions. She hasnt been able to rule. All discovery has stopped. Theres just been no action whatsoever since the d. C. Circuit took this case up on appeal. And so that means that once the Supreme Court rules and lets say its sometime in june, then the trial court restarts again, and were looking at, you know, another couple of months probably before the trial could get underway. Theres so many things that can happen in a trial to delay it, and now were going to be so close to the november election that i dont think judge are chutkan is going to want to put a jury in that position to have to make a decision so close to the november election. Jonathan, so for trump, a big victory, maybe not a decisive one but definitely a big victory. On the left, lots of folks have been holding their breath, they were hoping for a trial this summer, especially after those polls that show a conviction would be disqualifying for many voters. I wonder what youre hearing on that side. What are democrats saying . Theres a lot of resignation and worry from democrats who have been saying to each other and frankly, to me in the last 24 hours or so how does he always get away with it thinking that donald trump once again is slipping the hook and will not pay a price for what he has seemingly done. The time line does seem right that if this had been the case, this January 6th Case, that legal experts said was built for speed. Jack smith kept it narrow focused on trump and the Election Interference, even less about january 6th itself unlike the Sprawling Georgia Case which involves so many defendants. This was really just about him, unlike the classified documents case, there was no real sensitive materials there nor a trump friendly judge. This was one that they really thought would happen this summer and into early fall at latest. Now that does seem unlikely, and i think some democrats are deeply concerned. There is still one criminal case that is going to happen, certainly appears like its going to happen between now and election day. Thats the new york case set to start in just about a months time on the fraud matter. That is seen as the least serious of the cases. Its not clear how politically damaging it will be for trump. In fact, when that charge was first brought, you know, a year ago, his poll numbers only went up among republicans. Now, well see what a guilty verdict will do, but i will say this. As frustrated as some democrats are, those in biden world, those in the white house and on the Reelection Team that ive spoken to for months now, they were not banking on a criminal conviction. For months now, they were not thinking that these trials were going to provide some sort of magic bullet that would finally fell donald trump. They all along thought they were going to have to win this on the campaign trail. Surely, though, ken, the members of the Supreme Court are aware of the political implications of this decision and what it means, that there are a lot of people in legal circles who say this should be decided before the voters go to the polls. They should know whether or not a man theyre voting for is a convicted felon. Having said that, tell us about the courts reasoning for deciding as they did . Well, chris, frustratingly, the justices did not address that Seminole Issue in their unsigned order agreeing to take this case. All they said was that theyre going to consider whether and to what extent a former president is subject to are prosecution in connection with official acts committed while in office. That term official acts could be important here because remember, the Appeals Court came back with a ruling that said former president s are not immune from prosecution, period. You can imagine that some of these conservative justices could be concerned that, for example, acts that a president commits as commander in chief, a drone strike overseas, should not be subject to prosecution. There may be some room for interpretation there. The other issue here, chris, the huge issue in this case is what donald trump is accused of doing in connection with trying to overturn the election. Were those even official acts . Special counsel jack smith would argue they were not. Even if the Supreme Court does decide theres some level of immunity for former president s in connection with official acts, the act of calling local officials and pressuring them to overturn votes when the president has no role in state elections, that may not fall under the rubric of official acts. Nonetheless, its going to cause a massive delay, chris. Carol, it will end up being 134 days, i think, from the time jack smith asks these justices to hear this, and he wanted it expedited to the time they actually hear it, let me ask you about the political conversations that are being had around this. Obviously one of the most consequential decisions that this court will make this year and arguably in many years. First of all, whyd it take so long for them to say were going to take this up . And does the fact that they dont appear to be working expeditiously add to people who say this is a court thats in the pocket of donald trump . You know, chris, this decision coming two weeks after the request for a stay by jack smith and people are saying thats a really long time. Why did they take so long . This has struggle and compromise written all over it. You have to remember that on the trial level, theres just one judge, and in this case, it was judge chutkan. She only has to convince herself. When you get to the Appellate Court, the court of appeals, its three judges. They have to talk amongst each other and try to convince each other of certain positions, and you recall that opinion took several weeks as well. When you get to the Supreme Court, youre not talking about just one person. Youre talking about nine people, and they discuss. They argue. They have to talk about how broadly to rule, how narrowly to rule. The Chief Justice is trying to keep this court together. That is youll notice that there were no dissents or objections to the order he put out yesterday, and im not a Fly On The Wall in their deliberations room, but im pretty sure there is a lot of arguing and discussion that went into the decision to even to expedite the appeal but not expedite it too much, because any decision that the Supreme Court makes at this point Going Forward is going to look political, and theyre well aware of that. And my own view is that the Chief Justice is doing everything he can to find compromise among the nine justices so that they cannot be accused of taking positions or moving the courts schedule or doing anything. Its inevitable, they will be accused of acting politically. Hes trying to mitigate that as much as possible. Carol, big picture, not only is the January 6th Case delayed, you also have the georgia case in limbo until of course the judge makes a decision on fani willis. We may find out tomorrow if the florida case is still on track for may or that date could potentially slide. What are you looking for tomorrow to see if may is still possible there . Yeah, you know, the Florida Case Is Rife with a lot of issues. Theres theres the judge who has in the past ruled in ways that people think are very favorable to donald trump, and she doesnt have as much experience as a lot of the judges that weve seen in the other cases. So theres some stumbing going around, and theres also the fact that theres a larger sepa issue, that is the classified do you means, who gets to see them . Who doesnt get to see them . Do all the Defense Attorneys get to see them. And she recently ruled not all the Defense Attorneys had to see all the classified documents. So you know, because of the number of issues that can arise in a trial, im really not expecting the florida case to be the case that charges ahead. We think the new york case is going to go and the new york case is probably going to get decided, and a lot of the reason for that is because Donald Trumps actions were so outside the president ial realm, they definitely were not official acts, that in unity is just not an issue in that case, and the defense could not take that issue up to the Supreme Court the way they have in federal cases. So its a very fraught landscape right now. To say the least, carol lam, thank you as always. And Jonathan Lemire youll be back with me a little bit later. In 60 seconds, a deadly confrontation in gaza as crowds of hungry people lined up for food and flour. What were learning about moments before gaza Officials Say more than 100 people were killed. Say more than 100 people were killed she found it. The feeling of finding the Psoriasis Treatment shes been looking for. She found sotyktu, a once daily pill for moderate to severe Plaque Psoriasis. For the chance at clear or almost clear skin. Its like the feeling of finding that Outfit Psoriasis tried to hide from you. Or finding your swimsuit is ready for primetime. Dad once daily sotyktu was proven better, getting more people clearer skin than the leading pill. Dont take if youre allergic to sotyktu; serious reactions can occur. Sotyktu can lower your ability to fight infections including tb. Serious infections, cancers including lymphoma, muscle problems, and changes in certain labs have occurred. 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N. s main food Agency Suspended all deliveries there after some of its trucks were shot at and overwhelmed by hungry looters. And the desperation is only growing. According to the u. N. , a full quarter of gazas population, that means 576,000 people are just one step away from famine. Nbcs matt bradley joins us now. President biden acknowledged that this incident might complicate the Cease Fire Talks. Tell us about what happened. Complicated Cease Fire Talks that were already devilishly complicated and a lot of people say unlikely to succeed. Now theyre more unlikely. Were hearing starkly different accounts of what happened. Thats been a typical feature of this war since october. Palestinian authorities as you mentioned, they called the killing a massacre. They accused israeli tanks of having opened fire on civilians as they waited for this much needed aid. The Israeli Military said that palestinians had crowded the aid trucks and were looting the aid and that palestinians were killed from pushing, tramping and being run over by those trucks after those aid trucks tried to escape the crowd. I think youre seeing some of those images taken from above. The israeli statement made no mention of machine gunfire, but they pointed to a separate incident that happened a little bit later only a short ways away. The Israeli Military said its soldiers opened fire on civilians after they refused to step away from an Israeli Military check point, not an aid truck. This just shows as you mentioned, the level of e desperation that were seeing in the gaza strip, starvation has become a major disaster there, and were hearing from authorities several infants have now died of malnutrition in gaza just over the past several days. And also, as you mentioned earlier, just today the Gaza Ministry of health announced the death toll for the enclave has now surpassed 30,000, ever since hamass Terror Attacks on october 7th. According to the gazans, most of those people, 30,000 killed, most of them are civilians, nearly half of them are children. Biden spoke on the topic just today. He said this could complicate things Going Forward. Thats likely to happen. There was very little trust between the two sides over these Hostage Negotiations even though the Biden Administration has said several times that theyre optimistic about the results. Now these negotiations are just shrouded in pessimism for all the parties involved. Chris. Nbcs matt bradley, thank you. I want to bring in leon panetta former secretary of defense and former cia director. Its obviously horrific. You talk about children dying of starvation, starving people desperate for food and what seems to be, we dont know exactly how many and where but 100 people or maybe more who are dead now. What is your assessment of the situation as you watched it unfold just today, mr. Secretary . Well, its obviously another very tragic event in a series of tragic events occurring in gaza. You know, on the one hand it points out why its so incredibly important to get a cease fire to be able to allow not only for the hostage exchange, but for humanitarian aid to be delivered without the chaos that we saw today. On the other hand, when events like this happen over 100 are killed, it probably makes it even more difficult to be able to arrive at some kind of agreement. Look, the key point for me is that weve seen these trucks besieged by crowds. Why there cant be better order in the di