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MSNBCW Alex July 4, 2024

Tonight. Three american astronauts and a russian cosmonaut will be on board. In moments, a headline that, lets be honest, will not surprise you at all. Texas newspaper issues warning about secession. We will unpack this with texas congressman colin allred in a couple of minutes. Hi, everybody. Good to see you. Im coming to you live from msnbc World Headquarters here in new york. Welcome to alex witt reports. I am Yasmin Vossoughian in for my friend alex. We will begin this third hour with Breaking News. The Supreme Court says it will deliver rulings tomorrow. One of those rulings could involve a very closely watched case, Donald Trumps Ballot Access in colorado. I want to bring in Lawrence Hurly and former assistant d. A. The manhattan d. A. And msnbc legal analyst Catherine Christian as well. Lawrence, start us off. What do we know . Yeah, kind of a rare move for the court to announce so shortly ahead of time on a day that is not a regularly scheduled ruling day. There are lots of reasons, i think, that this might be the case about whether former President Donald Trump can be kicked off the colorado ballot because of the claim that he engaged in insurrection under the 14th amendment on january 6th. The reason for that is that the cases being heard on an expedited basis. The colorado primary is obviously being held on tuesday so there is a reason why the court might want to get this out ahead of that even though it seemed pretty clear from the Oral Arguments last month that the court is probably not going to kick trump off the ballot. He remains on the ballot. There will probably not be any change their, but they obviously need to get this ruling out, which is not just going to apply to colorado, but any other state, probably, that does something similar. I want to be clear, we dont necessarily know this is going to be ruling on the colorado bella decision, but because of the rarity of saying a ruling will be issued tomorrow on a sunday afternoon, hearing about it on the sunday afternoon, and the timing of the colorado primary on tuesday, hence the reason why we are doing some math here. Catherine, if you will, pick up on that. If we were to get a ruling on the colorado primary Ballot Questioning and where you see the ruling landing. Some may remember that tuesdays Super Tuesday. Mostly, the libs believe they are not going to rule, that donald trump cannot be on the ballot, that they are going to rule against colorados decision and he will be allowed on the ballot in colorado and in maine. I think a judge in illinois just had a ruling. They certainly waited until the last minute, but not wanting to read the tea leaves, but im going to read them. Most people think that he is going to be allowed to remain on the ballot. Okay, if we have that, putting that aside, i want to talk, if we can, about the immunity hearing, the Oral Arguments on april 22nd. This is a part of the Delay Tactics from trumps team in raising this immunity appeal. The Supreme Court is now taking that up which is kind of going to delay this staying until the end of summer or early fall for a trial even if we cdc trial go forward. Our his Delay Tactics working across the board, catherine . Clearly he has won the battle. He has been able to delay with the exception of the manhattan d. A. s office case. Thats only because that sort of fell under the radar. He has been able with his motions, with this Defense Attorneys making motions, which they are entitled to do, thats what Defense Attorneys do, but most people, and im one of them, do not think either federal trial is going to happen before election day. Its not impossible. It could happen. I think the federal election case, judge chutkan will do everything she possibly can assuming the Supreme Court comes back with a decision in may or june. She will make sure it happens before election day. Its going to be very difficult. Lawrence, take us behind the scenes on how they made in the immunity case. Some see this as being political. Well, i mean, the first interim member is that the court did not actually do what donald trump or the special counsel jack smith or wanted. There was this Emergency Application that donald trump filed up to the Supreme Court to stay this Appeals Court ruling. That would allow the trial to go ahead. They instead greeted to hear the case on the merits of the immunity claim on an expedited basis with a ruling probably due by the end of june which is not as quick as jack smith wanted. He also has an indefinite stay, which is what donald trump wanted. We can sense it took the court a couple of weeks to figure out what to do before they announced it last week, what they were going to hear the case and how they were going to decide this legal question. There is probably quite a lot of behind the scenes negotiation. You can imagine that there may be some justices who wanted to allow for an indefinite delay and others who did not want to delay at all. Obviously, the court probably also did not want to look like they were divided on this at this point. There is a reason why they want to be careful about this and try to present it in a way that seems like they are not divided. The reaction from people to the left to the announcement was pretty negative. It remains to be seen what the court will actually rule. A lot of people assume that the court is going to reject this broad Immunity Argument that donald trump is making. Catherine, i want to talk about what happened in florida with judge Aileen Cannon. She brought up the socalled 60 day rule. I know its not called that she brought up and asked about the 60day rule. I want to read for you what the New York Times is reporting about jack smith. She asked about when smith was going to present the prosecution list. The New York Times wrote this Smith In Particular seems shocked by the question and sat up stiff lee in the well of the courtroom, his eyes gone wide in apparent incredulity. There has been a lot of talk specifically in judge Aileen Cannons courtroom about and other pretrial motions as well in which they talk about the potential harassment of prosecution witnesses. I am wondering if you feel like that is what was playing into this report from the New York Times about jack smiths incredulity. It sounds like so. They have already requested that some names be withheld from the fence until absolutely necessary. We know that donald trump just has a history of attacking witnesses and prosecutors and judges and juries, so that could be one reason. Also, we know that everyone was waiting for a trial date to be announced and one was not at all. Theres really no clarity when that case will start. I know theres a president ial Immunity Motion filed by the defense in that case which i think should be dead on arrival. It may not be only because all of the acts he is charged with occurred after he was president. Hes being tried in florida because the acts occurred in florida at maralago. You know, that is, i think, part of the reason why the special counsel was probably like, his eyes bulged or could have been some other reason. He probably didnt like the fact that the hearing ended and there was no trial date. There was also kind of a very laid back donald trump in that courtroom, very confident, laid back, no outbursts, no talkback, snow storming out, nothing like what we saw with judge engoron or judge kaplan. Does he know his audience . Well, she didnt say anything that he should be upset with. Right. She didnt rule against him or anything. We expect him to act that way in front of judge Aileen Cannon who he appointed, who sees as kind of an ally. You know, if she is disloyal, if she rules against him, he cant help himself. It is very, it will be interesting what happens in his actual criminal trial which is supposed to be at the end of the month. Right. Judges will not tolerate that from anyone in front of a jury and hopefully they will not tolerate that for mr. Trump just because he is a former president. Catherine christian, lawrence hurley, thank you. We are monitoring the scene in selma, alabama this afternoon. Thats where Vice President Kamala Harris is set to deliver remarks to commemorate the 59th Anniversary of Bloody Sunday. She is speaking at the Edmund Pettus bridge where Alabama Law Enforcement attack demonstrators back in 1965. A march will take place later on this afternoon. Its one of the dozen annual events during the selma bridge crossing jubilee. The gatherings commemorate Bloody Sunday and the signing of the Voting Rights act. Also happening right now in washington, d. C. , or publican voters cast ballots as trump and nikki haley compete for the 19 convention delegates. Trump handily one of the michigan, idaho, and missouri caucuses yesterday. As both candidates look ahead to Super Tuesday, trump remains on the attack and haley undeterred. People say, dont even talk about it i have to. I have to talk, front row joes, because she is bad news. I know her very well. Shes very average. As long as we are competitive, as long as we are showing that there is a place for us, i am going to continue to fight. I dont look too far ahead. I look at, what do the American People want . If 70 of americans say they dont want donald trump or joe biden, thats not a small number. Meanwhile, no reaction on the border battle. Public instructor their position on a Sunday Talk Show that congressional action is not necessary. A realistic path forward, if we want to end this crisis, it begins by joe biden reversing the Executive Orders that he made. Every single one of them was designed to reverse a trump policy. The Homeland Security secretary today pushing back on Texas Governor greg abbotts claims that the border crisis can be solved without new legislation. Could not be more wrong, couldnt be more wrong. As a matter of fact, former President Trump tried to close the border and it was in joined in the courts and ever saw the light of day. This is coming from an individual who is purposefully refusing to coordinate, communicate, collaborate with other officials and trying to wreak havoc in other cities and states across the country. All this ahead of the state of the Union Address on thursday as the Washington Post Editorial Board encourages President Biden to, quote, give them hell. I want to go to nbcs brie jackson in washington were voting is underway in todays gop primary ahead of Super Tuesday. Brie, what are you hearing from voters . Good afternoon, yasmin. We are hearing a lot of Different Things from voters that we spoke with today. There are about 23,000 registered republicans here in washington, d. C. We have seen a steady stream of them come into the Madison Hotel over the past couple of hours. This is the only room where they can vote in this years republican primary. People i spoke with, their top concerns range from the economy to washington, d. C. As well as border security. Former President Trump has won every or bob looking contest so far. Washington, d. C. Is seen as an area that nikki haley has the best chance to possibly pick up a win. Here is what voters that i spoke with today say about that. Im a trump supporter. I respect nikki haley. Shes amazing. This seems very 50 50. You never know. We do have some strong Trump Supporters and we also have some strong nikki supporters. Its going to be we actually had a straw poll a few weeks ago. Trump won by two votes. So, i will not be shocked if he wins again today. Nikki haley might have a better chance of getting a coalition together to beat trump. To get the nomination, that would be very important. If, not at least weaken his candidacy in the process. So, we have seen a mix of supporters for former President Trump ever former u. N. Ambassador nikki haley today. What is at stake . 19 delegates are up for grabs here in washington, d. C. The polls open on friday. It will close at seven pm tonight. 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I think you see him stepping up and using more and more pressure, but i think this is a critical moment where social order is unraveling inside gaza and i have both publicly and privately counseled the president to use whatever leverage he has to try to get this long term ceasefire. It has to happen tomorrow. I think youve seen a change that the white house has been reaching out more to the american muslim community, hearing they are hurt. I am told that they are doing many things very directly that we are going to get a temporary ceasefire any minute. I know that they have been working hard for that and that it needs to a prominent ceasefire this is coming as the u. S. Airdrop its first round of humanitarian aid into gaza yesterday, delivering 30,000 meals. A population on the brink of famine. I want to bring in matt bradley from london for us. Give us the latest, if you will, matt, on these negotiations and any possibility of a ceasefire happening soon. Well, the latest, yasmin, is that we are hearing that all of the Negotiation Parties arrived in cairo today with plans to return to those negotiations tomorrow. I should say all of the parties except for one. As you mentioned, israels Negotiation Team did not go to cairo. Nbc news heard from the israeli side today who said that, despite not being there, they were optimistic and then it galatians. The israeli said they did not go to cairo because they are waiting for hamas to fulfill their demand and that hamas provided list of all the israeli hostages in gaza who were still alive. Even though we have been hearing optimistic sounds from all sides so far, this has been a months long process and that has been, its seen a lot of false starts in the past. Its a bit different this time around. There is a deadline now. The palestinians want to see a sixweek pause in the fighting timed for the beginning of the holy month of ramadan. That is about a 40day months. It starts on march 20th, about a week from today, and israel has said that if hamas does not agree to its deal to pause the fighting and release the hostages, its going to begin its assault on rafah, causes southernmost city. Its been being bomb for the last couple of weeks. Israel says the last remnants of hamas are hiding out there but rafah where about 1. 5 million palestinians have fled for refuge from israels nearly fivemonthlong assault on the gaza strip. It has killed more than 30,000 people, most of them civilians, according to the Gaza Ministry of health. If israel is to start at the Salt On Rafah if the deal does not go through, a lot of aid agencies a

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