On instagram or facebook and show us your picture with you with the wine or coffee glass and we might show some of those on air. That does it for us. The reidout starts now. Tonight on the reidout what idaho is doing so waiting for women to wait and deteriorate and suffer the Lifelong Health consequences with no possible upside for the fetus. Its tragedy upon tragedy. Transfer is the possibly standard of care in idaho. But it cant be the right standard of care to force somebody on to a helicopter. The Supreme Court hears two monumental cases this week. Today, On Whether Federal Law requires Emergency Abortion Care in states with strict bans. The other one, tomorrow, will determine if donald trump faces any consequences at all for his alleged crimes. And thats where we begin tonight. Legal accountability for one man, donald trump. From two different courts. Trump certainly believes that the rules do not apply to him. Its a essential part of who he is as a person. But in one court, the new york state Supreme Court, we are waiting on a decision from judge Juan Marshawn On Whether donald trump will face consequences for ten alleged violations of his gag order in his hush money election interference trial. Trump seems to be going out of his way to prove a point that prosecutor Christopher Conroy argued on tuesday. He knows what hes not allowed to do and he does it any way. It turns out in an interview just minutes before that hearing on the gag order started, trump committed what appears to be another viels of the gag order, going after his former fixer, Michael Cohen a key witness during an interview with a local philadelphia station. Michael cohen is a convicted liar. And hes got no credibility whatsoever. He was a lawyer. And you rely on your lawyers. But Michael Cohen was a convicted liar. Now it should be noted, yes, by his own admission Michael Cohen pleaded guilty to lying to congress and lying to a bank. So trump is not making that part up. But its important to remember why he committed those crimes and who he did them for. He did it to protect donald trump. Cohen lied to congress about Business Deals Trump pursued in russia while he was running for president because trump wanted him to conceal those business deals so his russia baggage wouldnt look so obvious. And cohen lied to a bank to take out a Home Equity Line of credit to pay to silence a woman alleging a sexual relationship with donald trump. Namely stormy daniels. Trump weirdly keeps leaving out those details when he calls his former personal attorney and fixer a criminal. In clear violation, by the way, of a gag order. Tomorrow there will be another chance to hold donald trump accountable in an unprecedented case with farther reaching implications, not just for him but for our democracy. The u. S. Supreme court will hear arguments in donald trump versus the United States about whether he can claim sweeping president ial immunity over his criminal election interference charges from Special Counsel jack smith. But even for the conservative majority hears one word of arguments, it is important to recognize the gift that they have already handed to trump, namely time and plenty of it. With a months long delay. They refused jack smiths request to fast track this case in december before a single republican primary vote had been cast. Sending it instead to the d. C. Circuit court. The court also could have just affirmed the decision by the d. C. Circuit court which found that a president surprise surprise does not, in fact, have absolute immunity from prosecution. After trumps lawyers made that argument that they could reprise tomorrow. Could a president who ordered seal team 6 to assassinate a political rival who was not impeached, would he be subject to criminal prosecution . If he were impeached and convicted first. So your answer is no . My answer is qualified yes. Instead, this 63 right wipg majority court, three of whom nominated by donald trump and another whose wife actively encouraged trumps efforts to overturn the election and attended the rally that proceeded the attack on the capitol, they will decide whether or not trump is above the law, even he is already the Presumptive Republican president ial nominee. Friends of the show, legal experts, Melissa Murray and Andrew Weissmann write in the New York Times that the court has already botched the Immunity Case. Noting the courts decision to review the Immunity Case actually undermines core democratic values. Joining me now is the aforementioned Andrew Weissmann, msnbc legal analyst and cohost of the prosecuting donald trump podcast and timothy hayfy. I forgot my copy of my book. I bring the Trump Indictments book everywhere i go. I take it around like trump takes his fake bible. Say more. Your oped was important so say more. Sure. You know, we really focussed on time. On the thing that you were talking about. Because the main issue here is you could understand the Supreme Court if it wanted to say, you know what, we, as a Supreme Court, have never actually ruled on something as crazy as president saying theyre absolutely criminally immaun from prosecution. Yeah. We never addressed that. We only addressed that in a civil context. I could understand that they want may want to weigh in on that. Theres no way there will be immunity in this case even if you think theres some small area that the president should be criminally immune. Im not sure there should be, but its certainly not this case where theres private action for private gain. Its just not an official duty. And so, whats the real harm here is that the Supreme Court could have taken it as you noted in december. They could have if they were going to take it a couple months ago, instead of december, they could have said were going to fast track it and we would have heard arguments already. Instead, there has been a stay in the d. C. Federal case since december. That case was originally scheduled for trial march 4th. You know where we are now, we could easily be waiting for a jury verdict right now. Thats right. And so what im hoping is that at the arguments tomorrow, that the justices focus on speed. What legitimate argument does donald trump have that this shouldnt be decided immediately. The court could say lefts lift the stay tomorrow. Well hear from you, but you dont have five votes for president ial immunity in this case. The stay is lifted. The case can go forward. Well issue an opinion in time. Sure. Thats something they have done. Its something other courts have done. And that would, i think, in some way absolve them from what they have done so far. But i have to say the tea leaf reading not good. Not good. Timothy hayfy, reprise for us. Its been so long since january, 2021. Trumps role as an investigator of january 6th in what happened. He was the leader of a multipart intentional conspiracy to disrupt the joint session and interfere with the peaceful transfer of power. The story, joy, that we told over the course of the select committees hearings and in the final report very similar to the evidence that has been amassed by and will be presented by the Special Counsel. He is far and away the proximate cause of the riot, as the Committee Found and as the Special Counsel will have the burden to prove in the trial. Right. And tim, if you were ill ask both of you. If donald trump were not president of the United States, given the fact that people are spending 20 plus years in prison for what happened on january 6th, ill start with you, tim, would he have been a defendant in a case were he not the president , like long before now . Absolutely. Look, the Justice Department started with the blue collar cases, the people that were at the capitol and they eventually got around to the white collar defendants, like the chief among them the former president. But absolutely, joy. Regardless of his status as the president of the United States, his conduct as the select Committee Recommended and as the Special Counsel has now indicted, absolutely merits criminal prosecution. And by the way, let me just remind someone who else was involved in this, ginni thomas, andrew, hear is some of her texts on november 6th after trump lost the election. Do not concede. It takes time for the army who is gathering for his back. November 10, help this great president stand firm, mark. Thats mark meadows, his Chief Of Staff shes texting. You are the leader. With him who is standing for americas constitutional governance at the precipes, the majority knows biden and the left is attempting the greatest heist in all caps, first letter cap,over our history. November 19th, sounds like sidney, Sidney Powell and her team are getting evidence of fraud. Make a plan. Release the kraken and save us from the left. Two of the people in these texts are already indicted in the State Of Georgia. The idea that the husband of that woman, she spent 29 messages like that, to mark meadows alone donald trump as you were starting out has attacked judge marshawn for being conflicted and shouldnt be sitting on this case. Said the same thing with respect to fani willis the d. A. In georgia. These are people he has no problem attacking them as being cob conflicted. Clarence thomas wife was at the ellipse at the key event before the january 6th attack. She was texting, as you noted, back and forth with the Chief Of Staff, mark meadows. The idea that he is going to doesnt have the decency to when you think about the how the public has been perceived the Supreme Court yeah. The harm to the Supreme Court from his sitting on this case, to say that there would be no appearance of impropriety, that you wouldnt have that and that no reasonable person could think that when your own wife was goating on, doing exactly what happened, seems incredible to me. I think you said the right phrase there, doesnt have the decency. I will just leave it there while i just go back to some Breaking News actually. We have Breaking News from arizona involving the fake elector plot. Lets get right to nbc news correspondent Vaughn Hillyard with the details. Vaughn, what have you got . Reporter hey, joy. This is literally just in the last 60 seconds. Arizona Attorney General chris maze is announcing the indictment of the 11 electors out of arizona from the 2020 election. This has been part of a yearlong investigation for chris maze, of course, there was a Republican Attorney general in the aftermath of the 2020 election who never investigated the fake elector scheme on his part upon taking office she committed to this investigation and over the better part of the last year she has gone through this. Issuing subpoenas and having individuals testify before this grand jury. Just here in the last hour in arizona, chris maze with the approval of the state grand jury is now indicted 11 fake electors out of arizona. I should note, as were giping to make our way through this indictment, there are other individuals who are also included in this indictment. But they have not been served at this time. The indictment has those names redacted. The 11 individuals who have been indicted, who we have the names of, include the likes of kelly war, who folks will recall was the arizona gop chairwoman at the time as well as her husband, as well as rnc Committee Man out of arizona, tyler boyer, who also serves as the Chief Operating Officer of Turning Point usa, that trump aligned organization. You also have two current Arizona State legislators included in this indictment around in the aftermath of the 2020 election, joy, the in some states, right, there is more secretive effort to keep the fake elector scheme under wraps, right, in the State Of Georgia in a secret meeting behind closed doors. In arizona it was a little different. More than a month after the 2020 election results, as donald trump was applying a Pressure Campaign on the likes of Maricopa County board of supervisors as well as former House Speaker rusty bowers, folks may recall that at the arizona gop headquarters, kelly ward, the gop chairwoman of the state party at the time actually convened a group of individuals, including the 11 electors, one of whom she was, to actually have on video them going and signing the certificate. At that point in time, the certificate was sent to the National Archives in congress. So, again, joy, literally as you and i are discussing here, were just beginning to make our way through this indictment. But now we have individuals who are electors in georgia and michigan and now in arizona as well who have been formally indicted on State Charges stemming from this alleged scheme to send to washington, d. C. Ultimately a different slate of electors to be counted on january 6th of 2021. Dont go anywhere, vaughn. Andrew weissmann, first your reaction. I also want to get tim heaphys reaction. Sure. Im fascinated by the fact that vaughn is reporting theres redacted names. And i wonder if vaughn could speak to it sounds like they were able to serve people who were local who might be arizona people. From that, would it be fair to infer that there maybe people who, you know, because the scheme as alleged elsewhere in various indictments is that people at the Trump Campaign were orchestrating this. In other words, this didnt come from the bottom up. This was coming from d. C. Down. Is there from that, could you infer that at least some of the redacted names may be people who are in the Trump Campaign . Right. Andrew, im looking at the same screen i have my camera on here, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven names are redacted. So there were the 11 electors, fake electors out of arizona and seven additional names that are redacted here. When we are looking at multiple counts, nine different counts, count one conspiracy, count two fraudulent schemes, count three, fraudulent schemes and practices, and counts four through nine are forgery. We also in all 11 of those individuals were all indicted on all nine of those counts. The seven redacted names we do not have the counts on as well. So, im going to have to scan through this just so folks know what were scanning through here, were looking at from Arizona Attorney general chris maze a 58page indictment that was signed here by the foreperson just here in the last hour. So, to better answer everybodys questions here, im going to work my way through this here in realtime if i may, guys. Yeah. Let me let you work through it. Take you off camera and let you work through it and keep reading an get timothy heaphy, what do you make of all this . Sounds very consistent with the michigan case, with a portion of the georgia case as andrew said. This was a top down scheme. It was the rnc and members of the Trump Campaign who were encouraging electors in these contested states to submit certificates purporting to be official, thats where the crime comes in, certifying falsely that President Trump had won those states. The signature on those documents and the attempt to have them considered by congress is what makes them fraudulent. They are fake elector certificates. The redacted names could very well be officials of the Trump Campaign, mike roman comes to mind. Hes indicted in georgia and was one of the people who was on the phone organizing this activity with individuals in michigan, in arizona, and in georgia. So, my guess is its the individuals in arizona who have been named and some additional folks in washington or elsewhere that were part of the broader scheme to get all seven of these contested states to submit these fake elector certificates. All of that of course sets up some predicate for dispute, something for the Vice President potentially to accept at the joint session. A basis on which members of congress could object. It was all part of a broader scheme led by the former president. Thats whats at stake in these criminal cases in washington and georgia. Andrew, im not a math person but 11 electors indicted plus nine redacted, says 20 to me. A lot of people talked about how broad the georgia indictment was, but that indictment included fake electors, people who were part of that scheme. It also included not just people from the Trump Campaign, but very ostentatiously people from the Trump White House including his Ch