News from arizona today was the house representatives repealing the 1864 bill, getting three republicans to switch, we now have 11 republicans in arizona indicted, its 7 p. M. In arizona right now, alex, and theres 11 indicted Fake Electors there who may be struggling with what they want for dinner at this particular hour. Maybe thinking about what they should do in the medium term, maybe thinking not be on the stand, maybe being prosecution witnesses, just maybe. Yeah. We all discovered tonight in arizona law coconspirator is written without a hyphen, never seen that before, but theres 50 states. Thats the sign of the time, isnt it . How do they punctuate Co Conspirator in arizona . Sign of the times. Have a good show. Well, the Breaking News of the night is that Donald Trumps name appears in another indictment. This one is in arizona. The Attorney General has charged 11 republican Fake Electors and seven trump associated, including mark meadows and Rudolph Giuliani, with a criminal conspiracy involving several felonies. The indictment says it was a scheme to defraud by preventing the lawful transfer of the presidency of the United States keeping president donald j. Trump in office against the will of arizona voters and depriving arizona voters of their right to vote and have their votes counted under the United States constitution, arizona constitution article 7. President trump appears as unindicted coconspirator one. Defendants attempts to declare unindicted Co Conspirator one and pence the winner of the 2020 election and the law involved numerous other charged and uncharged Co Conspirators. The names of all of the defendants who are residents of arizona were revealed publicly in the indictment, but the names of seven other out of State Defendants are still redacted since they have not yet been served with the indictment or werent yet served with the indictment when it was released. Mark meadows name is redacted in the indictment, but it could not be more obvious in this line that begins with the redaction and says, redaction was unindicted coconspirator ones Chief Of Staff in 2020, mystery solved. The other Trump Associates easily identifiable from the description of their actions in the indictment are attorneys john eastman and john ellis, trump aide boris epstein, Christina Bobb and Trump Campaign operative mike roman. The indictment says, defendants and unindicted Co Conspirators schemed to prevent the lawful transfer of the presidency to keep unindicted coconspirator one in office against the will of arizonas voters. This scheme would have deprived arizona voters of their right to votes and have their votes counted. The defendants voted for then donald trump and Vice President mike pence on december 14, 2020, falsely claiming to be duly elected and qualified electors for president and Vice President of the United States from the state of arizona. Defendants deceived the citizens of arizona by falsely claiming that those votes were contingent only on a legal challenge that would change the outcome of the election. In reality defendants intended that their false votes for trump pence would encourage pence to reject the biden harris votes on january 6th, 2021, regardless of the outcome. The scheme failed when mike pence accepted all certified biden harris votes on january 6th , 2021. The indicted Fake Electors include kelli ward, who was chair of the Arizona Republican party, who was indicted with her husband michael ward as a fake elector. Two republican members of the State Legislature have been indicted, Jacob Hoffman and anthony kern. For anyone who still needs a lesson in how much your vote matters, the democratic Attorney General of the state of arizona won her election by 280 votes, 280 votes out of 2. 5 million votes cast. So if a couple hundred people didnt get to vote that day or voted differently in that election, we would not be reading these indictments tonight. Tonight arizonas Attorney General, kris mayes, announced the indictments. Let me thank everyone for their patience as we conducted a thorough and professional investigation into the fake elector scheme in our state. I understand for some of you today didnt come fast enough and i know ill be criticized by others for conducting this investigation at all, but as i have stated before and will say here again today, i will not allow american democracy to be undermined. Were here because justice demands an answer to the efforts that the defendants and other unindicted Co Conspirators allegedly took to undermine the will of arizonas voters during the 2020 president ial election. Arizonas election was free and fair. The people of Arizona ElectedPresident Biden. Unwilling to accept this fact, the defendants charged by the State Grand Jury allegedly schemed to prevent the lawful transfer of the presidency. The defendants and other unindicted coconspirators raised false claims of widespread voter fraud in arizona to pressure Elections Officials to change the outcome of a transparency, free, and fair democratic election. Those efforts ultimately failed when officials stood firm, followed their statutory duties and officially certified arizonas election on November 30th , 2020. These defendants deceived the citizens of arizona by falsely claiming that those votes were contingent only on a legal challenge that would change the outcome of the election. In reality, the defendants intended that the false votes for trump and pence would encourage Vice President pence to reject the certified biden Harris Electors votes regardless of the result of any legal challenge. As you will recall, none of the legal challenges filed in Arizona State in federal courts regarding the 2020 election were remotely successful at any stage of the case. That scheme failed when Vice President pence upheld the rule of law and accepted all certified biden harris votes on january 6th , 2021. A State Grand Jury made up of everyday regular arizonans has now handed down Felony Indictments for all 11 republican electors as well as several others connected to this scheme. These charges include fraud, forgery, and conspiracy. These charges are class 2, 4, and 5 felonies. These are serious indictments. Our office will continue its investigation into the efforts to illegally subvert the results of the 2020 president ial election. Leading off our Breaking News discussion at this hour is timothy hefey, Criminal Defense Attorney and former u. S. Attorney serving as Lead Investigator for the january 6th committee, also Andrew Weissmann, cohost of the Podcast Prosecuting donald trump, an msnbc legal analyst. Andrew, i just want to put up on the screen as we discuss the six different crimes that include forgery, tampering with a public record. What do you make of what youre reading here . A couple things. One, its very similar to what we have seen in other states where there have been charges in georgia and michigan where there was a top down scheme. What i mean by that is that tim and his colleagues put together a vast amount of proof that was added onto by jack smith which showed this fake elector scheme was happening from the campaign down to the states. This was not bubbling up at a grassroots level. Thats why youre seeing Fake Electors at the arizona level and people at the Campaign Level and into the white house. Thats the second point. I was struck by on page 44 of this indictment Eric Herschmann who was a white House Counsel seems once again to be very much an important witness in the case and he is on a text message where basically he and a colleague are talking about how they arent going to sign off on this because he views this as and this is a quote in the indictment certifying illegal votes, certifying illegal votes is what he wrote and he said someone else is going to have to sign it and he says, rudy, boris, and jenna, and those names are actually three of the people who are charged or appear to be charged. So those are my quick takes of the charges here. Tim, did you learn anything in this indictment that you hadnt already had a pretty clear sense of in the january 6th investigation . Yeah, lawrence. A few details, but not the big picture. The big picture has been clear for a while. This was a Top Down Plan which becomes essentially a predicate for Vice President pence or the Supreme Court or some entity to do something to prevent the transfer of power. So theres some color. Theres some details of which we were not aware. We did not talk to as many people about arizona specifically as the Attorney General has done, but it doesnt change the Core Narrative that the Fake Electors were an indispensable means to promote this multipart plan to try to prevent the certification and transfer of power. Andrew weissmann, he was indicted in georgia and has pleaded guilty in georgia and there were reports he had traveled to arizona to cooperate with this investigation. That seems to be the main reason why he was not charged here is that he is actually cooperating or maybe i should say at least cooperating enough to not be charged. I think the jurys out about just how candid he has been, but its otherwise hard to explain why his name does not appear and presumably its because he has counsel who has said look, if you do not want to be on the other side of a v, meaning United States versus or in this case arizona versus, you need to start finding religion and join team america. So its possible that that is the main reason that you dont see his name here because otherwise as tim knows very well from having investigated this deeply, he was in the thick of things and we know that actually also from his own plea in georgia. So this meeting of the Fake Electors was publicized at the time. I think we have video of it where they allowed it to be covered actually as though it was some kind of real event with some import to it. Well show that video in the control room as soon as we can put it there it is. Thats the actual meeting right there were putting on the screen. Those are the indicted Fake Electors sitting there and the Attorney General in the indictment stresses that they were lying about the purposes of that meeting. At the time they were seeing we will only use these electors in the event that donald trump somehow wins one of his legal cases in court that could then allow these electors to be used. The Attorney Generals indictment says absolutely not. They always planned to try to use these electors on january 6th no matter what happened in court. Tim, theres a last line that appears at the end of the charge against every elector beginning with kelli ward and the last line says, she did not withdraw her vote even though no legal challenge successfully changed the outcome of arizonas 2020 president ial election. That same line appears at the end of the description of every other elector and what they did and it seems in reading it that this Attorney General would not be bringing this prosecution if they actually did what they publicly claimed they were going to do, which is withdraw these electors once the election was certified for joe biden. Yeah. Exactly right. There was one fake elector to whom we spoke in georgia who analogized the fake elector t shirts in that state to super bowl tshirts. He said before the super bowl you print tshirts that say both teams won so that whoever actually wins, their tshirt is already printed. The other ones get tossed because the outcome doesnt turn out consistent with the t shirt. There were Fake Electors in georgia and other states who believed that this was essentially the same, a contingency, but the language you just cited shows that the arizona electors knew that really isnt tied to the success of any case because the cases have been filed. The cases had been largely disposed of, had not prevailed and even after they werent withdrawn when all the cases in arizona are rejected for lack of evidence. So the theory here is that there was never any serious contingency. These were meant to be an apparatus for mike pence to choose for political motivation the trump electors because of these vague suspicions of voter fraud absent any evidence. Thats what makes it criminal, not a good faith hey, just in case the litigation goes one way, we need this backup plan. The lack of a draw as that language reflects shows this was always meant to apply and be said and be considered by congress regardless of the litigation. Andrew, big difference between the georgia indictment and this indictment. Donald trump doesnt make it into the indicted column in this indictment. Donald trump, as we recall, made his debut in criminal indictments as individual run in new york in the federal indictment of Michael Cohen in the Stormy Daniels payoff case. Now tonight in arizona he is a coconspirator one. What is the difference in the evidence between georgia and arizona . Obviously we dont have a tape recorded Telephone Call with the Secretary Of State of arizona. Yeah. I mean that obviously is a huge piece of evidence georgia has. Its not clear yet why we have alter egos being charged in arizona, but not the ego, the main principal person for whom this is done. The Fake Electors didnt do this on their own. People like Rudy Giuliani, all of the sort of lawyers are staffed to somebody who is the president , but its unclear what the lack of proof is. For sure it is because they somehow dont have enough direct evidence yet against him, but its important to note that i stress the word yet. These are State Charges which means regardless of who wins the president ial election, whether its biden or trump, it doesnt matter because you cannot have a federal pardon of these cases. 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