Going on. For the south this is truly a horrific day. Tonight our Special Report on the man who killed roe v wade. This truly is a healthcare crisis. And donald trump is the architect. With another Gag Order Hearing on deck, Congressman Jamie Raskin, a potential nightmare brewing in the Supreme Court. The january exception is an imitation to our founders worst nightmare. As protests over israel and gaza disrupt colleges nationwide, what is getting lost in the way it is all being covered . All in start right now. Good evening, im chris hayes, one of the nations most punishing and restrictive Abortion Bans went into effect in the Third Largest state in the union pick in the state of florida, it is now a felony to, quote, performer actively participate in abortion after six weeks gestation. That is just two weeks after a missed period before many, many women even know that they are pregnant. The band does at least statutorily provide exceptions for rape and incest and human trafficking. Could, what we have learned from those exceptions, providers in florida say is that they dont work, that there will be very serious. For the doctor telling nbc news court is going to cause delays and care that are going to cost women Significant Health hazards or risks so as of today, 17 states ban all or most abortions, including the entire south, that block there, texas to florida. Three more states bed at 15 weeks, one of the three, arizona, recently upheld a Civil War Era Law Banning nearly all abortions. Today, just two republicans in the entire state senate to join all democrats in the state senate to repeal the 1864 law. It is still expected to go into effect for a limited period of time in the summer before reverting back to that 15 week ban. In all, in this country, in 2024 as we head towards this election, one of three women of reproductive age lives in a state with an abortion ban. That is the reality in america and the man responsible who has a 5050 chance in getting back in the white house next year, please, he did the country a great service. It was always the plan for the great legal experts of this country and even the world, they wanted to get abortion out of the federal government and everybody wanted that, that was uniform so much happened is now the states decide and they are going to vote in different states that it has been an amazing process basically the states decide on abortion and people are absolutely thrilled with the way this is going on. [ laughter ] you can see keep saying that but it is not to be true. The majority of this country is not thrilled with what donald trump did to reproductive rights. Not thrilled with women having to bleed out in parking lots before they can get into hospitals, medevacs out of hospitals in states like idaho point they are not thrilled with that. And he has not been getting anywhere near the level of blame that he deserves today, in florida, Vice PresidentKamala Harris pointedly gave trump full credit for the Abortion Bans. At the stroke of midnight, another Trump Abortion Ban went into effect here in florida. As of this morning, 4 million women in this state woke up with fewer reproductive freedoms than they had last night. This is the new reality under a Trump Abortion Ban. In a statement, President Biden was even clear, saying, quote, there is one person responsible for this nightmare, donald trump. And in politics, people exaggerate all the time but on this, its just true. There is no question about it. Donald trump is the man responsible for the abortion ban he is responsible for the bands in florida and in arizona and 18 other states. He is responsible for every woman that has to suffer awaiting care they desperately need who was turned away and all the states restricting and threatening the lives of millions of americans. Limiting the federal right to an abortion was Donald Trumps plan from the very beginning he ran for president the first time on appointing Supreme Court justices that would overturn roe v wade. In your selection as president , what criteria would you use to pick somebody . Prolife. They have to be prolife and we will see about overturning but we will point, i will appoint judges that will be prolife. Do you want to see the court overturned . If we put another two or perhaps three justices, that is really what will happen and that will happen automatically, in my opinion because i am putting prolife justices on the court. Again, there was lots of stuff that donald trump was real hazy about, real foggy about theres a lot of misdirection. Even now, this year, there wasnt on this issue. It was clear as day, he said it over and over. In fact, he even released a list of the antiabortion anti roe judges he would choose from. The people on that list were chosen by conservative groups, including the Federalist Society, Heritage Foundation point donald trump clearly had literally no idea who they were just that they fulfilled the requirements of the antiabortion far right. So with the judges they were saying what would happen if you point the wrong judges and what we did, and i just have, we just took a judges and i feel like what i would do is put this forward and this would be the list that i would need to choose from where people very close in terms of the spirit and the meaning of what they represent and i came up with a list of the Federalist Society was very much involved in the various people were involved. Had very good reviews. Immediately. Very good reviews. So if you want, i will do it now. I hope you people arent going to fall asleep as i read it. He read the list of names. This was, again, this was a huge issue when people thought trump maybe wasnt a stalwart conservative he had skepticism from evangelicals. The idea was, just black and white, you are getting the judges and the justices that will overturn roe. He continued to add to the list and eventually come again, maybe the only promise the man has kept in his life, i honestly mean that, he did what he said. He chose three names from the list, they were all on the list. Now at the confirmation hearings, all three appointees who are on the list where he said would overturn roe were coy when asked about how they would rule on Abortion Rights, describing roe as settled law. Roe versus wade, decided 1973, is a president of the United StatesSupreme Court it has been reaffirmed, i understand the importance of the president set forth in roe v wade. I dont have any agenda. I have no agenda to try to overrule casing. I have an agenda to stick to the rule of law, decide cases as they come. [ laughter ] Amy Coney Barrett got up there on her own and said i have no agenda to overturn roe. Sure. Right here of course. Of course, Donald Trumps aims his integers and nominating the three judges were always clear. Under my administration, we will always defend the very first right in the declaration of independence, and that is the right to life. The tremendous record, including two great Supreme Court justices, neil gorsuch and brett kavanaugh. They will be making tremendous and important decisions on abortion. The president also is opposed to roe v wade. That is on the ballot, as well, in the court. And so that is also at stake right now. And so the election is all. Why isnt it on the ballot . Because it is not on the ballot. I dont think so. There is nothing happening there. Clear there is nothing happening there. Donald trump, 2020, Nothing Happened there. The guy who told us all along. Youre getting roe v wade overturned, we are getting antiabortion justices. When he get it, all there, Nothing Happened. And then in june of 2022, Donald Trumps six year long plot succeeded. Is three justices who he had bedded were on the list, we guaranteed would overturn roe v wade overturned roe v wade. He brags about it now. I want to thank the Supreme Court justices for having the courage, clarence thomas, samuel alito, john ramos, brett kavanaugh, neil gorsuch, Amy Coney Barrett, for the wisdom and the courage to do this. But donald trump deserves all the credit. He is the ultimate cause, the man responsible for millions of american women living under dangerous, draconian Abortion Bans. If he is elected again it will only get worse. Im joined now by michelle, Opinion Columnist for the new york time in Florida Democratic state representative, on esca money who previously served as senior director for Planned Parenthood of southwest and central florida. Let me start with you because you are in florida. Just what, this really is sort of the biggest change in the landscape i think we have had so far because of how large florida is and how restrictive this bill is pick what does it mean for folks in your state . Please thanks so much for having me, chris. It is absolutely devastating and not just for floridians but all the women in our surrounding Southern States who come for us for care. I was at one of my local planned Parenthood Health centers yesterday and we were rushing to see as many patients as possible knowing that today they would be rejections, that patients would have to travel as far as North Carolina and virginia to access abortion care. Michelle, you were just in arizona, if im not mistaken here today they did overturn that ban, although clearly leadership proper leadership gave the green light to do it but they got the smallest amount of votes necessary pick what to do here in arizona about the politics of this issue in that state . Obviously is incredibly unpopular. Youre right that it is only a couple of republicans repealed away. Is still remarkable arizona is the first date with a Republicancontrolled Legislature that has backed off the zirconium Abortion Bans and it is obvious why they did it. Its a swing state, it has both kind of a crucial role to play in the president ial election. This very tight Senate Election and you have seen the candidate, a Senate Candidate carrie lake, who in the past, had lauded this 1864 abortion ban. This bill, this law. Then kind of turned on a dime and said that she was no longer in favor of it. She was lobbying republicans to repeal it. You know, i went to a carrie lake event and i was speaking to somebody from students for life, the event was at Arizona State university and she was kind of aghast that the republican who led the push to repeal this in the house had recently spoken to her group, you know. But i think that they, basically, they know where, carrie lake said at one point if we dont repeal this, theres people who consider themselves prolife who will vote for this abortion referendum. There is an Abortion Rights referendum on the arizona ballot. I believe theres going to be in florida and so they have sort of, she has not kind of figured out her language. She has taken a number of different positions. She is kind of all over the place because this is so unpopular and yet you have so many of the republicans were still so committed to this long term project of Abortion Bans. You also, representative, have a Ballot Initiative in your state, if im not mistaken, the threshold will be 60 , is that right . Ballot initiatives in florida . Correct, yeah, the Florida Republican legislator has continuously made it more difficult to pass initiatives but we were successful in less than six months and collecting more than 1 million verified signatures for this initiative with 30 being signed by Florida Republicans pick so we are very hopeful to hit the 60 threshold but it will definitely be an intense campaign ahead of us. Please let me ask you, its a hard question to answer but i will ask you, who do people think are responsible . Ron desantis signed the legislation, the republicanled it is leaders of both houses are the ones that passed it donald trump appointed the three justices on the Supreme Court that gave the majority to overturn roe, six justices signed on five, fully overturning roe. Who are people directing their anger at . Well, it is doubly going to be former President Trump. I want to keep him former. Also his running mate, ron desantis. Gov. Ron desantis signed this ban into law 11 00 at night in a private meeting. It is not a popular piece of legislation and in fact, more and more everyday people, typically who are not engaged in politics are coming out to say theyre going to vote this november because abortion is on the ballot. Now i think what is important, folks to understand how high the stakes are. Most people, for my experience, working at Planned Parenthood, they dont know the state of abortion until they need one. So there is going to be a very intentional Education Campaign just so folks realize that we do have a six week ban and as more of these Horror Stories get shared will also elevate the consciousness for more people to be ready to vote. Quickly, in arizona, where do you see people directing that anger . Well, i think on both sides they understand that trump is responsible for this. That is interesting. The republicans, it is interesting the republicans they sometimes dont believe that he is actually against the 1864 law, right . They will say again and again, no, he is the most prolife president we have ever had. That is interesting so you are violating secret trump cannons if youre trying to repeal that is fascinating. Michelle goldberg, Florida State representative anna eskamani, thank you both. Coming up, the ridiculous idea that theres never a right to it, ever, to criminally charge a president. Jamie raskin joined me on the absurd trump claim of immunity and the danger. Rodontax, the gum experts. Right now, we are waiting for the spring court of the United States to rule the question whether not an ex president has effectively total immunity or some immunity from terminal prosecution. It is a lastditch effort from donald trump and his lawyers to avoid all Account Ability for his crimes on, and related to january 6th the profound irony here is that this idea that an expresident cannot be criminally charged for their conduct in office is the exact opposite of what trumps own wares argued during a second Impeachment Trial was set the scene for a moment point it is every night, 2021, just over a month since january 6th for donald trump has been impeached for the second time since republican seasons trump had already left office, it is time to move on. Do you believe donald trump committed and Impeachable Offense . We to begin, think is a moot point because i think right now donald trump is no longer the president. He is a former president. Donald trump has been out of office for almost a month and it would be exceedingly strange that the senate is having a trial and potentially convicting and removing from office when there are so many other pressing needs. Democratic Congressman Jamie Raskin of maryland, the lead manager pointed out that such an argument left a really significant loophole in the constitution. The argument is that if you commit and Impeachable Offense in your last few weeks in office, you do it with constitutional impunity. You get away with it. In other words, conduct that would be a high crime and misdemeanor in your first year as president , and your second year as president , and your third year as president , and for the vast majority of your fourth year as president , you can suddenly do in your last few weeks in Office Without facing any constitutional accountability at all. This would create a brandnew january exception to the constitution of the United States of america. A january exception. Kind of like that movie, the purge, were all crime is legal for one night. President can commit all the crimes they want as long as they do so late enough in their term that congress cant get the wheels turning fast enough before they leave office. Now Donald Trumps own lawyers had to rebut that argument in this context and they were paired with at the time seemed like a good defense. Trumps argument via his attorneys was that impeachment was not necessary to hold him accountable because he could be criminally charged after leaving office. This idea of a january amnesty is nonsense. With my colleagues on the side of the chamber actually think the President Trump committed a criminal offense, lets understand, a high crime is a felony and a misdemean