A report critical of israels actions in gaza, as President Biden draws a redline on israel launching a full scale Invasion Of Rafah. Former congresswoman jane harman is here to help sort it out. And the black vote. New polling raising questions about bitings support among this critical group, and how black lgbtq voters could be a decisive factor. Kelly robinson of the Human Rights Campaign join me to break down what is behind those numbers. I am jonathan capehart. This is the saturday show. This week of Donald TrumpsNew York Criminal Trial was all about the dirty details. With adult film star, and writer, Stormy Daniels, testifying about the One Night Stand Trump allegedly spent 130 thousand to cover up, he claims he never had a sexual encounter with daniels. During a reservist Cross Examination Rigorous cross examination, daniels fired back if that story was untrue i would have written it to be a lot better. But the stakes of this case are much bigger than the hotel room. It is looking like this case, the people of the state of new york against john old jay. Trump might be the only chance to hold Trump Accountable for election interference before this novembers election. Thats because trumps three other criminal cases have been slammed with major delays. In georgia come the state Appeals Court has agreed to a trumps request to disqualify District Attorney fani willis. That process should keep trump out of Fulton County courtrooms until after the election. In florida trumps classified documents trial which was supposed to begin has been postponed indefinitely, because the trumpappointed judge presiding over the case says it would be imprudent to even set a date, given the various pending pretrial motions before the court. Folks, there would be a need for this delay if she would just decide all these motions, many of which have language for months. Then there is trumps main election interference case, federal charges related to january 6th and his claims of absolute immunity. Questioning by the supreme courts conservative majority suggests the high court could hand down a decision that delays that trial until after the november election. So, all eyes are on a manhattan courtroom, and a cast case against the twice impeached four times indicted on 88 counts former president. But as trumps former fixer, michael cohen, points out, the new york trial is about equal justice, and the rule of law. Why are we now handicapping cases . This isnt the kentucky derby, this is our democracy. As far as im concerned, whatever holds them accountable im okay with. Michael cohen is expected to take the stand on monday, but not before receiving a warning from judge juan merchan to stop publicly taunting trump. Trump, who has been already fined Tens Of Thousands of dollars for violating a gag order is clearly struggling not to lash out at his former attorney. For but i can say whatever they want. They can say whatever they want, but i am not allowed to say anything allowed anybody, because if anything is mentioned against certain people, and you know who they are, certain people, anything is even mentioned, he wants to put me in jail. So much whining, maybe, thats why trump brought rick scott of florida to court this week. Scott helped spread some of trumps favorite falsehoods, including if they can go after the former president , they can go after you. You know what . Senator scott, you are absolutely correct. But, we would have to be indicted by a jury for falsifying Business Records, illegally retaining classified documents, trying to overturn a free and Fair National election, and one in georgia. Just saying. Joining me now, msnbc neocon tl, Professor Of Law at georgetown university, former Solicitor General of the United States. Also with me, sick security correspondent adam klasfeld. Thank you both for joining. Neil . How credible was Stormy Daniels . I think she was quite credible. You know, even before stormy came on we have seen trumps former friend to former friend turn on trump in the trial, and the whole thing is like a bad feud, it reminds me of drake and kendrick lamar, and, that was the prelude to Stormy Daniels coming to testify. Some of the testimony on her first day straight into things i think but he really needed to hear. It did not bolster her credibility by recalling certain details, but it did become extraneous. She seemed incredibly credible when she left the jury. The strategy is essentially trying to shame her for her profession and stuff. I think it spectacularly fired, and it goes to show, trumps opening statement, no affair, that the 130,000 trump never paid and so on, and all of that has and blown out of the water already by the testimony from Stormy Daniels about the affair where she seems far more credible than the absent donald trump, who it looks like he is not going to take the stand to contradict Stormy Daniels testimony, and what his lawyer said trump never paid, we learned this week trump admitted in another Court Proceeding he did pay the 130,000. So, right now, its not looking good for the defense. Their help i think is to tear down the credibility of the last big one is, michael cohen. One more thing. In terms of the stuff we didnt need to hear you mentioned before, could that part of her testimony end up Helping Trump On Appeal . Real quick. Yeah. So, they clearly did this not because the judge was going to cook exception for the mistrial, but i dont think this is enough. There are always in every major criminal trial some extraneous information that the jury here, there will be a cautionary instruction about that to the jury, and, i do not see this as the basis for undoing what seems like prayer right now in a pretty open and shut trial. The judge scolded trump for swearing and shaking his head while daniels was speaking. What you make of stormy and those actions . So, the jury, let me address the second part of it, first. With Stormy Daniels we have a very professional jury sitting there, because during her testimony, she was very funny. There were a number of lines, where she was for example, talking about she was asked about her reaction to the indictment, Susan Necklace asked her incredulously that she didnt know what the indictment about, she implied there were a lot of indictments. There were a lot of laughter moments. She was pressed about her merchandise, say, she was monetizing on the indictments, and she said not unlike mr. Trump. And these were not isolated lines. It was one after another, after another. There was a lot of laughter in that courtroom, and the jury, they were smiling. There was definitely a back and forth. You sometimes see that in trials where jurors, especially during contentious cross examination, she glances at the witness, and the attorney, a volley like a tennis match. Noticeable was the kind of solid professionalism of this jury. As for their look at the defendant, one thing is probably no reporter knows exactly what they saw quite like the judge and jury, just because of the mechanics. Look at the layout, even for the best seat in the house where the press is seated, we are seeing the back of the head, they are looking at them straight in the eyes during that cursing episode. If anyone has followed Stormy Daniels on twitter they are the least surprised by how funny she must have been on the stand. Neil, as trump loves to remind us, cohen was convicted of lying to congress, so how will jurors way his pass with his present credibility . It will definitely be an issue. The district court, the District Attorney has approved donald trump caused making a knowing false Business Record with intent to conceal another crime. Campaign finance laws. We have had scrimmages about that, and you can expect trumps lira to say hey, you have been convicted of a felony and the like. You can expect cohen himself to come back and say no, here i am telling the truth with no incentive to lie, and you know, there is a lot of Corroborating Evidence that supports Michael Cohens story. I think thats what makes it different from a he said he said. They have built that, some of it is boring like receipts and Bank Statements and knowledge about how trump signed his checks, and things like that, but all of it is so far built a pretty airtight case. If you are trumps lawyer, you are probably thinking god, what can i do to turn this around. And probably just attacking cohen alone isnt going to get you there. Neil, adam, thank you both very much for coming to the saturday show. Why any state Department Report says israel may have violated International Humanitarian law, but that will impact military aid. Chair of the commission on the National Defense strategy joins me live to explain. Two evoting blocks President Biden needs to be trump, and what it will take to shore up their support. A jam packed hour of the saturday show, keep it here. Here. Wanna know a secret . More than just my armpits stink. Facts. Thats why i use secret whole Body Deodorant for clinically proven odor protection everywhere. So i smell great all day, all hike, and all night. Secret whole Body Deodorant. You know whats brilliant . Boring. Think about it. Boring is the unsung catalyst for bold. What straps bold to a rocket and hurtles it into space . 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This morning israel issued a new warning in gaza urging residents to evacuate parts of rafah as it prepares to expand its Military Campaign there. But so far israels move into the city has stopped short of a fullscale ground invasion. You may remember back in march i asked President Biden whether an Invasion Of Rafah would be a redline for the United States. What is your redline with Prime Minister netanyahu . Do you have a redline, for instance, would Invasion Of Rafah, which you have urged him not to do, would that be a redline . Israel, im never going to leave israel. Two months later President Biden has drawn a hand redline. He warned Prime Minister netanyahu the u. S. Would pause more Arms Shipments if israel does move ahead with a full scale invasion. I made it clear, that if they go into rafah, they havent gone into rafah yet, if they go into rafah, i am not supplying the weapons that have been used historically to deal with rafah. In response, netanyahu says, that israel is prepared to fight without the help of the United States. If israel has to stand alone well stand alone. But we also know we are not alone, because we have so many decent people, everywhere, who do support us, who do understand the truth, and we defeat our enemies. Joining me now, former congresswoman jane harman of california, chair of the commission on the National Defense strategy. Congressman harmon, thank you for coming to the show, as always. Before we get to the redline lets talk about this report issued by the State Department yesterday. It said that it is reasonable to assess the idf used u. S. Weapons since october 7th. Inconsistent with International Humanitarian law. It stops short of saying israel violated terms of u. S. Weapons agreements. Your reaction . Its very careful, and it does not say you assess, it says it is reasonable to assess, which means someone could assess that maybe we dont, it was a cautious report, and the delayed the release. I think that was intentional. Intentional why . This whole issue is so fraught. Every part of it is radioactive, and the tragedy is right now, 1. 4 Million People are in harms way in rafah, and i applaud President Biden for trying to do what he can using leverage he has to do two things. One to support israel. The redline is not that he does not support israel regardless of what i Minister Netanyahu says. But to say hey guys, this is the wrong way to go to achieve your objections. You then agree with the president s decision to pause some Arms Shipments to israel and threatening to do more of that if they do a fullscale invasion . He is not the first president to do that. Peter baker has a good New York Times piece saying Ronald Reagan did that. I think we forgot that in 1982, when israel bombed beirut, and we had a different Prime Minister in israel, and reagan called him and said this is a holocaust, i think that might have been a little extreme, but hey and not sending cluster munitions, and i, slowing down, or maybe not sending f16s. Do you think, one, i mean humanitarian workers and doctors are warning the situation for civilians is worsening in gaza. How devastating would a full scale Invasion Of Rafah be . Well we have already seen this movie several times in other parts of gaza. It seems there are more people packed into rafah and the border crossings are closed, and the un is predicting a Food Catastrophe tomorrow. What i worry about is that the objective that i that everybody had a few weeks ago, which was to release the hostages, or at least a number of them in exchange for a number of prisoners in israeli jails, with a temporary ceasefire, is gone. That is to happen soon. If we think about it its reported the u. S. Is sharing intelligence about the location of people in the tunnels now with israel, think about it. Now, the hamas has time to prepare, and dont you think that those hostages are in those tunnels and are going to be human shields, if the idf comes near or tries to come near these leaders of hamas . Im forgetting those leaders of hamas, but i think the strategy, which is what President Biden thinks, is not going to accomplish that. You know yesterday hamas said the ceasefire negotiations with israel are back to square one. Do you believe that . Diplomacy is a tricky thing. Folks say so publicly, and behind the scenes there are all sorts of things correct. I dont know enough to know. Weve had our best people on the case. We have had repeated visits. We have had everybody the Biden Administration, who has sophistication in the area talking to a variety of israelis. The problem is that Benjamin Netanyahu has two rightwing personnel in his cabinet. If they turn on him they could call for new elections, and hes boxed in if he wants to remain as Prime Minister, but guess what. I think he should want to have his legacy be that he saved his country from a dire threa