Happening down there. Kudos to you both. Thanks, alex. Okay, do you remember the tiny Windows Conspiracy of 2020 . No . I want to make bigger windows into smaller windows. As far as theyre concerned if you had no window it would be a lovely thing. This is the craziest plan that anybody has ever seen. They want to make your windows smaller. That was donald trump during the second president ial debate in 2020 attacking joe bidens Climate Change agenda. Now, biden never proposed making americas windows smaller. That was one of those fever dreams from the mind of donald trump. And three and a half years into the biden administration, surprise, everybodys windows are exactly the same size. Here is what biden actually said about his climate plan in that same debate. Were going to invest in, for example, 500,000 excuse me, 50,000 Charging Stations on our highways so that we can own the electric car market of the future. Investing in thousands of new ev Charging Stations, that was the plan. And that is more or less what joe biden did as president. He passed a bipartisan infrastructure law with the support of republicans and democrats that invested 7. 5 billion in Charging Stations. And the white house tells nbc news that the country is currently on track to hit bidens Charging Station Goal in 2026, which is four years ahead of schedule. Americas windows, though, still the same size. The debate that night was a forum where biden, at least, was explaining what he thought should happen and what he thought was at stake in that 2020 election. The Climate Stuff was not the only instance of this. The president also is opposed to roe v. Wade. Thats on the ballot as well in the court. In the court. And so thats also at stake right now. And so the election is all you dont know its on the ballot. Why is it on the ballot . Because you said its not on the ballot. Its on the ballot in the courts. In the court. I dont think so, theres nothing happening there. Theres nothing happening there. Take away roe v. Wade, the justices i appointed would never. Turns out two years later trumps appointees to the Supreme Court did exactly that, just as President Biden said they would. Now, to be fair, there were some moments in these debates when trump also gave us a window, a very tiny window, into what he was going to do. Like this one. Are you willing tonight to condemn White Supremacists and Militia Groups . What do you want to call them, give me a name. Who would you like me to condemn . The proud boys. Proud boy, stand back and stand by. Donald trump when asked to condemn racist hate and Militia Groups instead told the right Wing Hate Group the proud boys to stand back and stand by, and sure enough they did just that. The proud boys celebrated trumps stand back and stand by comments. They ended up leading the attack on january 6th, and the heads of that organization would eventually be charged and convicted of Seditious Conspiracy for their role in planning and coordinating the january 6th attack. That wasnt the only foreshadowing of chaos that we got in these 2020 debates. Remember that trump was also asked how he would direct his supporters as ballots were being counted after election night. Will you urge your supporters to stay calm during this extended period not to engage in any civil unrest and will you pledge tonight that you will not declare victory until the election has been independently certified, president trump, you go first. I am urging my supporters to go into the polls and watch very carefully, because thats what has to happen. I am urging them to do it. Trump was asked if he would urge his supporters to stay calm and not declare victory until all the votes were counted. And trump did not answer that question directly. We now know that trump did not wait until all the votes were counted before declaring that the election was rigged and that he was the true winner. The answer that trump did give that night telling his supporters to go into the polls and watch very carefully, that is now official Republican Party policy. Last month a Trump Campaign and the rnc announced a plan to have 100,000 attorneys and volunteers monitor the 2024 vote count. What could go wrong . All of these things are things we learned about at the 2020 debates between biden and trump, which brings me to today. For months its been an Open Question whether trump and biden would debate each other ahead of november, but then just a few hours ago in a rapid public back and forth, biden and trump agreed to two debates, one on june 27th and one on September 10th with a Vice President ial debate in july. All of this started when President Biden issued this challenge on social media. Donald trump lost two debates to me in 2020, and since then he hasnt shown up far debate. Now hes acting like he wants to debate me again. Well make my day, pal. Ill even do it twice so. Lets pick the dates, donald. I hear youre free on wednesdays. That last bit was a not so subtle reference to the former president s New York Trial Schedule Where Court is not in session on wednesdays. Donald trump quickly responded to President Bidens challenge during an appearance on conservative talk radio. President biden just issued you a Debate Challenge for june and september with the veeps talking in july, do you accept . Oh, absolutely. I really think he has to debate. He might as well get it over with, probably should do it early so that he can, you know because hes not going to get any better. But june and september is great. Every day is a down factor for him. The campaigns are still hammering out all the details here, and look, anything could happen between now and then, but at this moment it looks like this thing is happening. Joining me now is bidens 2024 National Campaign cochair. It is great to see you, governor, and i wonder if i could just start with why now . Whats the calculation from the biden camp . Well, theres really no calculation. If you think about it, in the last campaign, as you noted, President Biden beat donald trump twice in both of the debates that hes done. Since that time, since people cant recall ill help them do this, during entire republican primary process donald trump ran away from all of the debates and never debated and started mouthing off like he always does. So President Biden said, fine, bring it on, im fired up and ready to go. And thats what he did today. The president is ready to stand next to donald trump and excited about it, so the American People can see the clear contrast between a guy that has already been declared by a court to be a fraud, a guy who basically sat in the white house after instigating an insurrection and watched a whole bunch of folk who is i call traitors desecrate our halls of government and literally never did anything about it. This is the guy who when he said he wasnt going to do it had roe versus wade overturned and has now put states in charge of monitoring womens pregnancies. Or a president that lost more jobs than any president in the history of the country. Or a guy who said that he wants to be a dictator on day one. And he thinks that he ought to be able to hire sale team six to kill his political opponents. Im looking forward to him standing noex somebody hes going to have to acknowledge is the real president of the United States. A guy named joe biden who basically has spent his entire life help other people, lift us up, bring us together, and as you said in the preface, actually getting things done in this country. I feel like we got a preview of what President Biden might say during that debate. These two debates are coming as a result of Back Channel Negotiations between the biden and trump camp, and i wonder if that suggests that everybodys on the same page about the stipulations here, because i know President Biden said bring it on, but its bring it on with a few caveats. The first no live audience, do you think that is a settled matter at this point . Well, first of all, i dont know about the back channel communications. Im not in this loop. Donald trump said a couple of weeks ago and of course, he never means anything he says, which makes me wonder whether hes going to show up for the debate like he said he was going to testify at trial, which i dont think hes going to do. Or maybe hes going to fall asleep during the debate like hes done during his trial. So lets take whatever he says with a grain of salt. But he said ill meet you any time, anywhere. So joe biden said, ill meet you in two places under these circumstances. The fact of the mat ser, most of the time the debates we have had in the past that have not had audiences that werent some spectacle like wwe event, thats where you get the most and understand who knows what theyre talking about. And as you can see from all of the debates that donald trump has participated in, if his lips are moving, most of the time hes lying. One of the thing hes been on target with, when he say hes going to hurt people, he goads out of his way to do it. He did a Time Magazine article and somebody asked him to think for a minute about how you were in your last presidency and something you were correct. And the only thing this guy could think about was he was too nice. So he actually wants to be mean exer use the power of the presidency for retribution and revenge. Hes going to have to stand up in front of the American People noex a guy that took over from him during one of the worst economic crises, one of the worst Public Health crises, and put this country back on track and is doing an excellent job of rebuilding the country. Something donald trump promised but could never deliver. Were going to talk a little bit more about the sort of recognition that the president does not seem to be getting for those projects in key battleground state, were going to talk about that later, but i do wonder if this is born of a frustration that the American Public isnt giving the president and his Administration Credit for infrastructure projects, any number of Job Creation Programs that hes overseen in his time in office with a oneseat majority in the senate. Do you is this the right venue to get that credit . And i want to before you answer that, let me just play one piece of sound. Because there may not be a live audience, but donald trump is still on the stage. And if his lips are moving, as you say, hes often lying. He moves his lips a lot. This is the kind of stuff that happens when trump is on the stage. Lets just refresh our audience for what happened in 2020 when he wasnt supposed to be talking. And it didnt happen. Lets move on and talk about he left me a mess. President trump, okay, we do need to move on. They left me a mess. North korea was a mess. And in fact, if you remember the first two or three months. I had to talk democrats into it. Gentlemen, were running out of time, so we got to get on to Climate Change, please. I apologize to anybody for whom that is triggering, because i know it frazzles my nerves just to listen to it, but what if its a whole bunch of that . I want to make two points about this. First of aural, donald trump loves being uncontrollable and chaotic. If thats what 2 American People want, theyre going to get twice as much next time. Sam said, you know, it takes a real smart person to build something, any can kick down a barn. Whats interesting about that clip, he was talking about what he inherited. When joe biden came into office, he inherited one of the worst economies this country has ever seen. He inherited a Health Threat that Donald Trumps solution to was to drink clorox or manager like that, while people were dying. He inherited a country that was moving so far down so fast that it scared the hell out of everybody. And joe biden put a cabinet together by the way, which is still there except for one person. To be compared to donald trump who lost 17 cabinet members. Remember he said he was great at hiring people. 17 people he hired quit and are now begging the American People not to put that guy anywhere back near the oval office. So honestly. The people who know him best like him least, so im looking forward to joe biden standing there shoulder to shoulder so the world can look at both of these men. And its going to be really clear that rather than the guy fighting for the folks and not just their rich friends like donald trump has been doing for the past really, his entire life. Boy have to ask you, donald trump has called President Biden the worst debater i have ever faced and accused biden of being unable to put two sentences together. What do you think of that, literally lowering the ball a couple sent meters off the ground. If you havent watched one of Donald Trumps rollicking, frolicking, exposes, what does he call those things that he goes to where people yell at him . Rallies. He cant put two words together. Im looking forward to the president of the United States, joe biden, standing there talking about the fact hes created 15 million job, more jobs than any other president in the history of the country has produced in four years. Im looking forward to him talking about the fact we have the lowest unemployment rate. Im looking forward to the fact hes building 56,000 projects right now, which by the way, donald trump said he was going to build and didnt. The president s ready to go. Hes fired up, and hes ready to have at it. So lets get it on, as he likes to say. Mitch, maybe the Biden Campaign can borrow you. I know you wont do it, but it might help the guy. Thank you for your time tonight, sir, i really appreciate it. Youre welcome. Thanks, looking forward to it. Byebye. We have a lot to get to this evening, while donald trump is under that gag order, his minions are free to amplify his threat, and new reporting lays out what that means for the targets of their wrath. 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There are less than six months until election day, if you can believe it. I cannot. And new polling this week from Battleground States by the New York Times and senna College Shows that if the president ial leshgs was held tomorrow, the likely winner would be donald trump. Among the six crucial Battleground States, trump is leading in five among registered voters. Thatd be arizona, georgia, nevada, pennsylvania, and michigan. They are all states President Biden won in 2020. Now, when the data switches to likely voter, biden edges ahead in michigan and trails narrowly in wisconsin and pennsylvania. Joining me now to discuss all this is mark, staff writer for the atlantic, and the Opinion Columnist for New York Times. Thank you for helping me understand whats going on here. I want to talk about the debates against this backdrop, but first just the notion, mark, that the numbers for biden have not really moved since the last time this poll was taken in november 2023. Theyre almost identical. They seem somewhat calcified. They seem very similar to before. They will say and have said this is one poll, its a snapshot, but the truth is, its been going on for a while. There are some glimmers of, i wouldnt say hope, but certainly things that the Biden Campaign can hang their hat on, which is the three states they truly do need, pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin, they are the most competitive in. And if you sort of look at arizona and georgia as states that are considered battleground state, these are not states democrats had won until 2020. So if youre playing the very narrow straight game here, i mean, they are very competitive there, but its still early but obviously the needle has not been moved. And i think maybe this debate thing today is