Speech. Trump would be smart to reach out to the millions of people who voted for me and continue to support me. Haley is following in the grand old foot steps of many grand old republicans before her. Lying ted cruz, Little Marco Rubio and ron desanctimonious, and also of course the 2016 version of herself. Donald trump is everything i taught my children not to do in kindergarten. South carolina went through a terrible tragedy last year, and the kkk came to South Carolina from out of state to protest on our state house grounds. We saw and looked at true hate in the eyes last year in charleston. I will not stop until we fight a man that chooses not to disavow the kkk. That is not a part of our party. Thats not who we want. We will not allow that in our country. Governor, are you going to support donald trump . Its great to be is that a no . I would not be here if i wanted if i didnt want to make sure that hillary was not going to be the next president. Are you going to vote for donald trump . Are you going to vote for him . Of course. A tepid endorsement i think its fair to say. While none of this is surprising to anyone, there is a wrinkle to the haley endorsement, her voters have consistently and clearly voted not just for her but against donald trump in primary after primary, proven by the fact that they continued to vote for her and not him even after she dropped out of the race. Which raises this point from david from in the atlantic, regarding haleys plea for donald trump to reach out to her voters. Quote, the only way trump could reach out to trump skeptical republicans is by pleading guilty to the many criminal charges against him and vowing to devote the rest of his life to restitution for the victims of his many crimes. Let us discuss. Joining us now nbc news correspondent vaughn hillyard, the Atlantic Staff writer and author of thank you for your servitude mark leibovich, and political White House Correspondent and msnbc political contributor, eugene daniels. All right, so mark, im going to start with you on this. Talk to me about haleys voters. Are they going to switch over to donald trump so easily . No, i dont think so. I mean, i think, look, she obviously has a lot of voters or a lot of people using her as a vehicle to vote for whatever it is they probably dont like about donald trump. You know, the question is does she have any control over them. I dont see any reason to think she does. I talked to a whole bunch of people during the campaign, none of them at haley rallies. None of them had much use for trump at all, although not a single one of them said to me im just going to wait to sort of see what nikki haley tells me to do. So its very unclear if she controls any of the votes whatsoever. Look, shes proven Time And Again and theres a whole bunch of video and a whole bunch of contradictory statements to prove this that her north star here is something in the ballpark of opportunism full stop and weve seen this before. Its dispiriting and i dont think, you know, i dont see yesterdays statement as a massive message for anyone as far as what theyre going to vote for in november. I guess youve rendered my next question moot, which is that should this still be surprising. Even though its not surprising, how old it be . Especially after the way she described donald trump in 2016 but also this year. Lets just listen to some of it. Times change, and so has trump. Hes gotten more unstable and unhinged. If you mock the service of a combat veteran, you dont deserve a drivers license let alone being president of the United States. He was thin skinned and easily distracted. Its not normal to spend 50 million in Campaign Contributions on personal court cases. Its not normal to threaten people who back your opponent. Donald trump is turning the Republican Party into his own playpen, where its all about him. Hes not qualified to be the president of the United States. I know were not supposed to be surprised, but should we be surprised given the way that she described him in that sound we just heard, mark . No, and i would say this. Heres whats fundamentally depressing about this, im speaking to you as someone who weve been watching this dance since 2015 to 2016, the default position for almost every republican politician who knows better is to just cave and do something similar to what nikki haley did yesterday. Some people its taken longer. There have been a few exceptions here and there who obviously have no future in todays Republican Party. Yes, i dont know if its a sign of maybe im just thin skinned, but yeah, i get depressed every time this happens because shes not talking to us, these politicians are not talking to us the way normal human beings talk to other normal human beings. We know what shes saying. We know what she thinks in private. You know, i think what she said about Biden Yesterday was quite, you know, quite harsh to biden. I think the white house clearly didnt like it, but look, i reserve the right to be disappointed over and over and over again until this chapter passes. People can smell inauthenticity. Thats why they dont like politicians because they dont speak authentically. Its also, you know, for their reasons why a lot of voters like donald trump because they believe that even with the ugly, he is authentic. Vaughn, has haley talked to donald trump . No, its been more than two months since she dropped out of the president ial race. March 6th. Why do this. That was my question as soon as i saw it last night, that she said she would vote for him, okay, did she reach out to donald trump or did trump call her and say if you want to get on board now is the time to do it. Well, we know along with our colleague ali vitali that both confirmed by trump and haley advisers that theres no phone call thats taken place. Whats the deal with this timing . Its a good question. This is one of those you have a convention coming up in july, so you know you could expect to see her at the convention, knowing that nikki haley very well likely wants a future in politics. Shes never indicated that shes walking away from politics, and so shes going to need to be at that Republican Convention if she wants a future in republican politics. Thats why when were talking about no labels was looking for a candidate, i thought there was a chance maybe she would take that opening to run. We know that she has president ial ambitions. Thats why she launched her candidacy for the presidency. Theres little reason to believe as mark was pointing out, politicians they keep running. Even when they lose, they keep going at it. Very few of them walk away. Jeff flake walked away, he got an ambassadorship out of it. Biden and Kamala Harris, President Biden and Kamala Harris are saying theres room for you on the biden team to haley voters. Come join us. Lets take a step back and look at the Bigger Picture here, Donald Trumps candidacy and what his platform is going to look like. Theres some reporting nbc has been doing regarding abortion and what trump team is doing in some states. Matt dixon put together a great report with sources from across the country. This is going to be at the convention here when the platform of the Republican Party is voted on, and theres a Platform Committee at the rnc that will be putting Forward Together the language that is that of the Republican Party, and theres concern about some of these new rnc members, some of these new Platform Committee members that are taking a potentially hard right stance on issues like abortion, on gay marriage and the extent that in the general election that would turn off a great middle part of the country here. Potentially trying to potentially moderate there. The Trump Campaign doesnt want that to happen. Eugene you talked in playbook today about something thats not being moderated in regards to the efforts toward november by the rnc, by donald trump. This is a stop the steal push, a voter fraud push. Explain. Basically you have this push in congress to have a vote and move it to the from committee to the floor about whether or not people who are noncitizens can vote in federal elections. They already cant. Theres already something they cannot do, but there are parts of the country, washington, d. C. , being one of them, where noncitizens can sometimes vote in local elections, and so what theyre trying to do here is muddy the waters and say what theyve been saying that democrats want to bring in all of these people from other parts of the world to this country so that they can vote in federal elections. You cannot do that if youre a noncitizen. It is against the law. It doesnt matter, right . Theres only so much what youre talking about, all of this ties together. Its all about the perception, convincing voters that something is true even when the facts dont bear it out. Because of when donald trump has been able to do with the Republican Party, the reason that nikki haley continue thes continues to be in his camp despite all the things he said about her and she said about him is he has fundamentally changed the way that Republican Voters engage with information. You know this better than any while you were on the road with them in 2016, you can tell them and show them all of the things that everyone knows to actually facts and they dont care. You have democrats calling this what this is and more importantly concerned that this is just setting up the possibility that after the election if biden and Vice PresidentKamala Harris were to win again, for donald trump, which we already know he will do and others to be able to say and tell voters and move forward saying the election was stolen. This is to democrats setting the stage for ha. I think youre right to use that word perception, seeding that perception, seeding that doubt for their own benefit. This is what nikki haley is signing on to once again. Vaughn hillyard, mark leibovich, eugene daniel, thank you so much. Joining us now john kasich, foreigner governor. Thanks for being with us. I want you to give me your opinion on what david from is arguing that haleys voters are not gettable by donald trump. You know, its probably true. You know, im not sure that they were so much for haley as much as they were not for donald trump. And by the way, it seems as though politics has become an awful lot about expediency. I was one of those people who walked away. It wasnt that important to me well, first of all, when i didnt win in 2016, i had a shot at doing this again, and the fact of the matter is you cannot do you can, its not wise to do a political calculation today based on what might happen down the road. Senator and former governor George Moin Vich used to say take care of stuff today and what happens tomorrow will take care of itself. So i think haleys decision, by the way, was based on expediency. I think she felt that if she didnt do this she wouldnt be viable in the future. Who knows what the futures going to bring, and how will she feel if the future does not bring what she hopes it will bring. So, you know, i think people need to be like connected to what they think is right at the time and not what they think the benefits of making compromises today for what might happen tomorrow. And i cant tell you how she thinks about thisment im not about to do it, but it sure doesnt look very good. And i think that the people who were for her, some of them were, but i think a lot of them were just like i dont like trump. Its a republican primary. Theyre still voting for her because its their one way to express their displeasure with him in some of these states, even after shes been out. I wonder what her goal is. Its not like trump voters really liked her either. As you saw in the clip we played from 2016 of my friend Jacob Soboroff asking her about whether shes going to vote for donald trump. She didnt seem like she was excited to do it then. Today she did the endorsement once again. It smacks of inauthenticity and that, as we have been talking about, is repulsive to voters. Well, you know, i think voters are getting pretty used to people who say one thing one day but they dont like it, john, thats part of the reason why they voted for donald trump. I can only talk for me. The only person i can speak for is myself. I went to cleveland but never went to the convention. I helped get the convention to cleveland. I didnt support the guy. I never endorsed the guy. I endorsed joe biden in the last election who im not happy with particularly now, but the fact is i was true to myself, and i felt good about it. Maybe other people, you know, maybe she feels good to herself. I dont know. But i can tell you for me, im able to i myself am able to hold my head high and be able to stand on what i thought was the right principle. And look, even if people were mad at the time and they were, and some are still angry with me you still could have another chance. Life can go on. You never know what the future is going to bring. Am i right . You just dont know what tomorrows going to be. Youre saying is you are being true to yourself. Youre being true to your beliefs, and it sounds like youre saying you sleep well at night and youre happy about the decisions you made. Some of these republicans who say Donald Trumps a big threat to democracy, hes unhinged, et cetera, chaotic, when they turn around and decide that theyre going to vote for him, part of the explanation is that joe biden is a big threat. Hes catastrophic. He is a danger to democracy himself. Im wondering i know youre not happy with joe biden, but if you were to name a policy that hes enacted or a legislation that hes been behind that you would equate to donald trump and his threat to democracy, is there one that you would equate as just as bad . I mean look, the reason i was for him at the time is i felt that he was going to be more bipartisan and that things would be settled down, and thats what ive been disappointed in. I dont think hes been as bipartisan as i would like him to be. In fact, i think hes moved too far away from the center towards the left. I didnt think he would do that, but look, its really about how you look at somebody and whether you decide they should be president based on the whole range of things. Im not here to cast call names on nikki haley. Im just saying some of those things she said were very dramatic and very strong, and then she went and it looked like she blinked. It didnt look like trump reached out. And so how can i honestly, how can i try to judge her other than to look at this and scratch my head and say why. I do understand why, if you want to be a player in the future the calculation today from all the political analysts around you, the calculations today is you kind of got to get with the program. I got to tell you, john mccain was never one who wanted to get with the program, and he did pretty darn well, and actually, john kasich never got with the program, and hes not doing too well. Look, im on tv with you today, right . So you never know what the futures going to bring, but be true to yourself. Hes not doing too well or he is doing well. I think he is doing well. Im doing very well and There Is A Future out of politics, but sometimes you can go out. You can come back in and youre more energized, more creative than ever. So im a happy guy. Well see if you make a political comeback in the future. Never know. In the meantime, smart political conversations on this show, governor john kasich, thank you very much for joining me as always. Thank you. And still ahead, what democrats did in the senate today to try to flip the script on republicans over immigration. They say they want to fix things. Plus, he said he wanted to testify in the hush money trial. Then he did not. What donald trump is saying to explain why he chose not to take the stand . And not one, but now two flags, what democrats are demanding now that a second stop the steal flag was spotted at a home of Justice Samuel alito. We are back in 90 seconds. Lalit. We are back in 90 seconds. Dude, you gotta work on your trash talk. Id rather work on saving for retirement. Or college, since you like to get schooled. Thats a pretty good burn, right . Have Heart Failure with unresolved symptoms . It may be time to see the Bigger Picture. Heart failure and seemingly unrelated symptoms like carpal tunnel syndrome, shortness of breath, and Irregular Heartbeat could mean something more serious, called attrcm a rare, underdiagnosed disease that worsens over time. Sound like you . Call your cardiologist and ask about attrcm. Another day and another story about another problematic flag outside one of Justice Samuel alitos homes. This time it is the pine tree flag, also known as the Appeal To Heaven Flag. The New York Times found it was flown for several days at least in front of his engine Vacation Home last summer. Just like the upside down American Flag seen outside of his Virginia Home in january of 2021, the Appeal To Heaven Flag is strongly linked to the stop the steal movement. But unlike the upside down flak, Justice Alito has not blamed this one on his wife, at least not yet, as he has so far declined to comment. Joining us now slate Senior Writer who covers the Supreme Court, mark joseph stern. 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