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All in with chris hayes starts now. Tonight on all in you know it doesn't have to be this way. It doesn't have to be this way. Shock and outrage after another deadly mass shooting at a school in georgia. Plus, 62 days to election day. Liz cheney endorses the democratic nominee. Not only am i not voting for donald trump, but i will be voting for kamala harris. Tonight, republicans who want their own candidate to lose in order for their party to win. Then, our russian shell companies paying conservative pundits to support donald trump? stunning indictment from the department of justice and what we are learning from a tidal wave of information from elon musk. Elon musk give me a tremendous endorsement. When all in starts right now. Good evening from new york. I am chris hayes. It is the first week of school for most of the country. Tragically and not surprisingly there has already been a school shooting. Four people were killed at a high school in georgia today. Two students and two teachers. A 14yearold suspect is now in custody. When this kind of thing happens it is hard to feel like nothing can be done because mass shootings have unfortunately become a kind of national periodic ritual. Because we are in a presidential election this year, things can be done. There are glaring policy differences on this issue between the two campaigns. They are very far apart. One wants to do something about it and the other definitively does not. We will discuss those differences later on in the program with colorado governor jared polis, whose state has seen a number of shootings and is trying to do something about it. Gun violence is front of mind for many voters, especially young voters. A poll we did recently found 85% of gen z voters are concerned about experiencing gun violence in public. 59% saying they are very concerned. Republicans don't have a lot of incentive to do anything about it. In fact the republican party isn't interested to do anything at all. When you look at how dysfunctional, how malformed the current republican party is with donald trump as the nominee for the third consecutive election. At 78 years old and degrading before our eyes. You may wonder like i do and like we all do i think of how we got here. I think the answer is staring us in the face. The way america's elections and political institutions are structured provides a massive advantage for republicans. So the united states senate of course, which is not a representative body, tilts massively toward republicans the way the current parties are sorted. The 580,000 americans who live in wyoming are represented by the same number of senators as the 39 million people who live in california. And of course the electoral college functions in a similar fashion. Actually builds off the senate itself. Even if it appears that kamala harris right now is a pretty clear favorite to win the popular vote, probably by a margin of 1 million votes at the minimum. The actual race is extremely close. Harris hold a narrow lead in the polling advantage. The polling average of pennsylvania, which we see as the tipping point state and the election is a tossup. When you have these advantages and they are enormous. One house of congress, the senate and the electoral college which elects the president, plus an extremely polarized electorate and you wind up with what i like to call the kind of trust fund republican party. It is like rich kids living off their parents largess you never have to work for a living. Republicans don't need to get off the couch and do the hard work of persuading voters to get to 50 plus one because the constitution is subsidizing their golf lifestyle and that is how you wind up with donald trump at the top of the ticket. Again, the republicans are the clear favorite to win the senate, despite fielding truly awful candidates and the republican party can run terrible candidates and it can lose the popular vote by 3 million, as donald trump did in 2016. Which is not a small amount. It is over a percentage point. And still stumble backwards into power. This massive dysfunction has cost republicans some otherwise very winnable races in cycle after cycle after cycle, which do not have the benefit of the electoral college. The arizona republican party, for example, has effectively collapsed at the statewide level, improbably. In large part due to candidate quality issues. Kari lake lost the gubernatorial race two years ago and refuses to concede that she is not currently the governor, which she is very much not, seems bent to continue that trend as she runs for senate in november. North carolina's upcoming governor race is much less competitive than you might expect things to this man, mark robinson. We have covered him before in the show. He is the current republican lieutenant governor of the state of north carolina. He might be the worst nominee his party has put forward for major office in recent memory and that is saying something. In 2018 robinson boasted that this foolishness about disarming millions of jews and marching them to concentration camps was hogwash. He also said that the movie black panther was created by a jew to pull money out of your pockets. Everybody knows that abortion in this country is not about protecting the lives of mothers. It is about killing the child because you are not responsible enough to keep your skirt down or your pants up. There is no reason anybody anywhere in america to be telling any time about homosexuality, any of that filth and yes i called it filth. So that guy, talking about your pocket, that guy is currently one of two men that will run the state of north airliner. There are only two people on the ballot. His back stories that he found jesus in the 1980s and slowly reformed. Is now part of a movement working to create a rightwing theocracy in america. This week we did get more insight to his policy. According to a new report from the assembly and north carolina, which has not been confirmed by nbc news, six men say robinson was a regular customer at multiple adult video stores, often paying to view or purchase pornography as frequently as five nights a week. Practically a job. Robinson's campaign denies the allegations and a spokesman called the allegations a word we cannot repeat and called the journalists reporting the story degenerates. But again, multiple sources on the record, men who worked at or frequented those stores including the owner totally different story. One guy named dan livingston, who again went on the record with his actual name, told the assembly he used to see robinson frequented a shop called the growth. He said robinson usually came in with a pizza, purchased a preview of an adult firm and went into a private booth to watch it and eat. Hey, it is a free country, okay? consenting adults have the right to purchase some pizza and then go and produce or purchase that kind of material, pornography, at least for now, though i should say donald trump's friends at project 2025 want to change that. According to them pornography should be outlawed and people who produce or distribute it should be in prison. No i don't think it is super likely that mark robinson, who again in this article with six sources including a named source said he would frequent the shop five nights a week. Often with pizza. That he will win his election, but this is an example again of the republican instinct to nominate these kinds of guys. The most extreme, antisocial candidates and they have to be defeated at the ballot box over and over and over again because the only way they will disappear they keep trying it. As jonathan martin put it in politico this week, if republicans want to when they need trump to lose big. Trump will never concede defeat no matter how thorough his loss, yet the more decisively vice president kamala harris wins the popular vote and electoral college, the less political art oxygen he will have. Republicans can start building a post trump party. That outcome is far from a given. Think of it this way. Donald trump could disappear from public and never appear from now to election day. Still have a pretty good shot of winning the white house and republicans taking the senate. Like a coin flip, maybe. That makes it all the more important that again the country's prodemocracy coalition does the hard work of preventing that outcome. Because the reality is winning a clear majority is not enough. Listen to this. The republican party of the united states, one of two major parties. The party has won the popular vote one time since the fall of the berlin wall. Say it again. Only one time since the collapse of the iron curtain have republicans managed a national majority in a presidential election. So it is incumbent on democrats to win by such a large portion that it overcomes the advantages against them. Even some republicans know this is the case, like former congressman liz cheney who spoke earlier today in mark robinson's home turf of north carolina. Is a conservative, as someone who believes in and cares about the constitution i have thought deeply about this and because of the danger that donald trump poses, not only am i not voting for donald trump, but i will be voting for kamala harris. The maga movement needs to lose over and over again. Democracy will not be on a secure footing in this country until the republican party internalizes the less that nominating extreme, dangerous, maladjusted psychopaths and hoping that the clerks of our elections bail you out is not enough. An opinion columnist with the new york times who has written about what the republican party will look like if trump loses. Tim miller is a former spokesman for the rnc and now a writer at large. This is something you think about and write about a lot and one of the things that happens because we focus on the electoral college and we have our maps and we are counting to 270, because that is the way the system works, to ignore the gravity of how much that pulls on everything in politics. Particularly a republican party that is essentially subsidized by this constitutional structure. I think it is a good way of putting it. There is no incentive for the republican party to pursue national majorities in order to hold power. Because as you stated, more or less the structural features of the american system gives republicans, really gives a party that has the constituencies that republicans have, it gives them control of the senate. And a real advantage in the electoral college. If you want not just a post trump republican party, you have to do something about those structural features. The thing that is so wild to me, tim, about this, too, is you and i lived through the bush years. America is not a country incapable of producing a national centerright majority. It clearly is a country capable of doing that. That is not some outlandish, crazy idea to think of a universe in which some version of the republican party went to the polls on election day for the presidential election and got 5 million more votes. That is a plausible world, it is just not the world of the trump era party in any way, shape, or form. The idea of a permanent national majority with the whole thinking behind george bush and karl rove's moderation of immigration. To bring in enough latino voters to get a national majority. Obviously that did not work out. Here is the problem though, chris. The people trying to put any durable national majority aren't really in charge. These guys talking to politico about how they can get a bank shot victory sometime in the future, but they are too shameful and cowardly to say it on the record, these guys aren't running the party. The voters are running the party and the primary voters want the crazy and they got the taste of it in the trump era and they are not going back. To coin a phrase from kamala harris. That is why they put up guys like mark robinson who if you owned a pizza franchise you would not hire him to be the manager of the franchise, based on what he did with pizza and in the darkroom, as well as his social media postings, the bankruptcies. It is not like the north carolina party didn't offer him more normal people. The voters wanted the craziest guy, so that is the fundamental problem for the gop. It is an interesting point, because i think that a rational party should pursue victory and it should move days you know, median voter theorem, it should move to maximize chances of winning elections. Tim's point is right that there have been tons of opportunities and cases where a super back comes in and says please, don't nominate the psycho. They are like, no. We have got to have the psycho. We want that psycho, please give us the psycho on the ballot and you wonder if enough losses just grinds it out of the base. Is it really the question at this point? that is a really good question because the demand for this, it seems as if the demand for this reflects an underlying psychology. I think a lot of republican base voters sincerely believe that there is no world in which they ever can win the majority. They will be wiped out by demographic change or whatever and so why not just do a hail mary, right? why not just go with the most extreme candidates on the ballot who flatter your sensibilities and also speak to your sense of existential dread? to add to tim's point, the one big electoral success for the trump era gop was the election of glenn youngkin in virginia and the state party had to engineer a process that cut out voters to make that happen. That's right. They had a very successful basically backroom deal to make sure that guy was the nominee. They were like, you see what these people do. You can't let them. And there is a question, too. Writing in the new york magazine, saying that, you know, an awful lot of republican politicians have been burned once by urging trump to concede. Nearly all of them have come crawling back. Is there any chance they will toss him out of the party in november? no. I do wonder at what point is there a point at which the lesson can possibly be learned or is this just like every 2 to 4 years having to keep doing this? to point sorry, go ahead, tim. Sorry days days sorry. There is a point that could happen but it really should've happened when they had a chance to convict in january, 2021. That was the last offramp. Sorry, jamelle. That's okay. I was just saying i think trump does not go away until he is in jail if he loses or, you know, he meets the fate that meets us all. Jamelle bouie and tim miller, thank you both. Appreciate it. Coming up, stunning revelations from the justice department. A multimillion dollar russian investment in pro donald trump influencers. That is next. T that works inside my body with a click of this button. No mask! no hose! just sleep. Give me this thing. Where are you going? i'm going to get inspire. Inspire. Sleep apnea innovation. Learn more and view important Shock and outrage <\/a>after another deadly mass shooting <\/a>at a school in georgia. Plus, 62 days to election day. Liz cheney <\/a>endorses the democratic nominee. Not only am i not voting for donald trump, but i will be voting for kamala harris. Tonight, republicans who want their own candidate to lose in order for their party to win. Then, our russian shell companies <\/a>paying conservative pundits to support donald trump? stunning indictment from the department of justice <\/a>and what we are learning from a tidal wave <\/a>of information from elon musk. Elon musk <\/a>give me a tremendous endorsement. When all in starts right now. Good evening from new york. I am chris hayes. It is the first week of school for most of the country. Tragically and not surprisingly there has already been a school shooting. Four people were killed at a high school in georgia today.<\/a> Two students and two teachers. A 14yearold suspect <\/a>is now in custody. When this kind of thing happens it is hard to feel like nothing can be done because mass shootings have unfortunately become a kind of national periodic ritual.<\/a> Because we are in a presidential election this year, things can be done. There are glaring policy differences on this issue between the two campaigns. They are very far apart. One wants to do something about it and the other definitively does not. We will discuss those differences later on in the program with colorado governor jared polis, whose state has seen a number of shootings and is trying to do something about it. Gun violence <\/a>is front of mind for many voters, especially young voters. A poll we did recently found 85% of gen z <\/a>voters are concerned about experiencing gun violence in public. 59% saying they are very concerned. Republicans don't have a lot of incentive to do anything about it. In fact the republican party isn't interested to do anything at all. When you look at how dysfunctional, how malformed the current <\/a>republican party is with donald trump as the nominee for the third consecutive election. At 78 years old and degrading before our eyes. You may wonder like i do and like we all do i think of how we got here. I think the answer is staring us in the face. The way america's elections and political institutions are structured provides a massive advantage for republicans. So the united states senate <\/a>of course, which is not a representative body, tilts massively toward republicans the way the current parties are sorted. The 580,000 americans who live in wyoming are represented by the same number of senators as the 39 million <\/a>people who live in california. And of course the electoral college <\/a>functions in a similar fashion. Actually builds off the senate itself. Even if it appears that kamala harris <\/a>right now is a pretty clear favorite to win the popular vote, probably by a margin of 1 million <\/a>votes at the minimum. The actual race is extremely close. Harris hold a narrow lead in the polling advantage.<\/a> The polling average <\/a>of pennsylvania, which we see as the tipping point state <\/a>and the election is a tossup. When you have these advantages and they are enormous. One house of congress,<\/a> the senate and the electoral college <\/a>which elects the president, plus an extremely polarized electorate and you wind up with what i like to call the kind of trust fund <\/a>republican party. It is like rich kids living off their parents largess <\/a>you never have to work for a living. Republicans don't need to get off the couch and do the hard work of persuading voters to get to 50 plus one <\/a>because the constitution is subsidizing their golf lifestyle <\/a>and that is how you wind up with donald trump at the top of the ticket. Again, the republicans are the clear favorite to win the senate, despite fielding truly awful candidates and the republican party can run terrible candidates and it can lose the popular vote <\/a>by 3 million,<\/a> as donald trump did in 2016. Which is not a small amount. It is over a percentage point.<\/a> And still stumble backwards into power. This massive dysfunction has cost republicans some otherwise very winnable races in cycle after cycle after cycle, which do not have the benefit of the electoral college. The arizona republican party,<\/a> for example, has effectively collapsed at the statewide level, improbably. In large part due to candidate quality <\/a>issues. Kari lake <\/a>lost the gubernatorial race two years ago and refuses to concede that she is not currently the governor, which she is very much not, seems bent to continue that trend as she runs for senate in november. North carolina's upcoming governor race <\/a>is much less competitive than you might expect things to this man, mark robinson. We have covered him before in the show. He is the current republican lieutenant governor <\/a>of the state of north carolina. He might be the worst nominee his party has put forward for major office in recent memory and that is saying something. In 2018 robinson boasted that this foolishness about disarming millions <\/a>of jews and marching them to concentration camps <\/a>was hogwash. He also said that the movie black panther <\/a>was created by a jew to pull money out of your pockets. Everybody knows that abortion in this country is not about protecting the lives of mothers. It is about killing the child because you are not responsible enough to keep your skirt down or your pants up. There is no reason anybody <\/a>anywhere in america to be telling any time about homosexuality, any of that filth and yes i called it filth.<\/a> So that guy, talking about your pocket, that guy is currently one of two men that will run the state of north airliner.<\/a> There are only two people on the ballot. His back stories <\/a>that he found jesus in the 1980s and slowly reformed. Is now part of a movement working to create a rightwing theocracy in america. This week we did get more insight to his policy. According to a new report from the assembly and north carolina, which has not been confirmed by nbc news,<\/a> six men say robinson <\/a>was a regular customer at multiple adult video stores,<\/a> often paying to view or purchase pornography as frequently as five nights a week. Practically a job. Robinson's campaign denies the allegations and a spokesman called the allegations a word we cannot repeat and called the journalists reporting the story degenerates.<\/a> But again, multiple sources on the record, men who worked at or frequented those stores including the owner totally different story. One guy named dan livingston,<\/a> who again went on the record with his actual name, told the assembly he used to see robinson frequented a shop called the growth. He said robinson usually came in with a pizza, purchased a preview of an adult firm and went into a private booth to watch it and eat. Hey, it is a free country, okay? consenting adults <\/a>have the right to purchase some pizza and then go and produce or purchase that kind of material, pornography, at least for now, though i should say donald trump's friends at project 2025 want to change that. According to them pornography should be outlawed and people who produce or distribute it should be in prison. No i don't think it is super likely that mark robinson, who again in this article with six sources including a named source said he would frequent the shop five nights a week. Often with pizza. That he will win his election, but this is an example again of the republican instinct to nominate these kinds of guys. The most extreme, antisocial candidates and they have to be defeated at the ballot box <\/a>over and over and over again because the only way they will disappear they keep trying it. As jonathan martin <\/a>put it in politico this week, if republicans want to when they need trump to lose big. Trump will never concede defeat no matter how thorough his loss, yet the more decisively vice president kamala harris <\/a>wins the popular vote <\/a>and electoral college, the less political art oxygen <\/a>he will have. Republicans can start building a post trump party.<\/a> That outcome is far from a given. Think of it this way. Donald trump <\/a>could disappear from public and never appear from now to election day. Still have a pretty good shot of winning the white house <\/a>and republicans taking the senate. Like a coin flip,<\/a> maybe. That makes it all the more important that again the country's prodemocracy coalition does the hard work of preventing that outcome. Because the reality is winning a clear majority is not enough. Listen to this. The republican party of the united states, one of two major parties. The party has won the popular vote <\/a>one time since the fall of the berlin wall.<\/a> Say it again. Only one time since the collapse of the iron curtain <\/a>have republicans managed a national majority in a presidential election. So it is incumbent on democrats to win by such a large portion that it overcomes the advantages against them. Even some republicans know this is the case, like former congressman liz cheney who spoke earlier today in mark robinson's home turf <\/a>of north carolina. Is a conservative, as someone who believes in and cares about the constitution i have thought deeply about this and because of the danger that donald trump poses, not only am i not voting for donald trump, but i will be voting for kamala harris. The maga movement needs <\/a>to lose over and over again. Democracy will not be on a secure footing in this country until the republican party internalizes the less that nominating extreme, dangerous, maladjusted psychopaths <\/a>and hoping that the clerks of our elections bail you out is not enough. An opinion columnist <\/a>with the new york times <\/a>who has written about what the republican party will look like if trump loses. Tim miller <\/a>is a former spokesman for the rnc and now a writer at large. This is something you think about and write about a lot and one of the things that happens because we focus on the electoral college <\/a>and we have our maps and we are counting to 270, because that is the way the system works, to ignore the gravity of how much that pulls on everything in politics. Particularly a republican party that is essentially subsidized by this constitutional structure. I think it is a good way of putting it. There is no incentive for the republican party to pursue national majorities in order to hold power. Because as you stated, more or less the structural features of the american <\/a>system gives republicans, really gives a party that has the constituencies that republicans have, it gives them control of the senate. And a real advantage in the electoral college. If you want not just a post trump republican party, you have to do something about those structural features. The thing that is so wild to me, tim, about this, too, is you and i lived through the bush years. America is not a country incapable of producing a national centerright majority.<\/a> It clearly is a country capable of doing that. That is not some outlandish, crazy idea to think of a universe in which some version of the republican party went to the polls on election day <\/a>for the presidential election and got 5 million more votes. That is a plausible world, it is just not the world of the trump era party <\/a>in any way, shape, or form. The idea of a permanent national majority with the whole thinking behind george bush and karl <\/a>rove's moderation of immigration. To bring in enough latino voters to get a national majority. Obviously that did not work out. Here is the problem though, chris. The people trying to put any durable national majority aren't really in charge. These guys talking to politico about how they can get a bank shot victory <\/a>sometime in the future, but they are too shameful and cowardly to say it on the record, these guys aren't running the party. The voters are running the party and the primary voters want the crazy and they got the taste of it in the trump era and they are not going back. To coin a phrase from kamala harris. That is why they put up guys like mark robinson <\/a>who if you owned a pizza franchise <\/a>you would not hire him to be the manager of the franchise, based on what he did with pizza and in the darkroom, as well as his social media postings,<\/a> the bankruptcies. It is not like the north carolina party <\/a>didn't offer him more normal people. The voters wanted the craziest guy, so that is the fundamental problem for the gop. It is an interesting point, because i think that a rational party should pursue victory and it should move days you know, median voter theorem,<\/a> it should move to maximize chances of winning elections. Tim's point is right that there have been tons of opportunities and cases where a super back comes in and says please, don't nominate the psycho. They are like, no. We have got to have the psycho. We want that psycho, please give us the psycho on the ballot and you wonder if enough losses just grinds it out of the base. Is it really the question at this point? that is a really good question because the demand for this, it seems as if the demand for this reflects an underlying psychology. I think a lot of republican base voters <\/a>sincerely believe that there is no world in which they ever can win the majority. They will be wiped out by demographic change or whatever and so why not just do a hail mary,<\/a> right? why not just go with the most extreme candidates on the ballot who flatter your sensibilities and also speak to your sense of existential dread? to add to tim's point, the one big electoral success for the trump era gop <\/a>was the election of glenn youngkin in virginia <\/a>and the state party <\/a>had to engineer a process that cut out voters to make that happen. That's right. They had a very successful basically backroom deal <\/a>to make sure that guy was the nominee. They were like, you see what these people do. You can't let them. And there is a question, too. Writing in the new york magazine,<\/a> saying that, you know, an awful lot of republican politicians have been burned once by urging trump to concede. Nearly all of them have come crawling back. Is there any chance they will toss him out of the party in november? no. I do wonder at what point is there a point at which the lesson can possibly be learned or is this just like every 2 to 4 years having to keep doing this? to point sorry, go ahead, tim. Sorry days days sorry. There is a point that could happen but it really should've happened when they had a chance to convict in january, 2021. That was the last offramp. Sorry, jamelle. That's okay. I was just saying i think trump does not go away until he is in jail if he loses or, you know, he meets the fate that meets us all. Jamelle bouie <\/a>and tim miller, thank you both. Appreciate it. Coming up,<\/a> stunning revelations from the justice department. A multimillion dollar russian investment in pro donald trump influencers. That is next. T that works inside my body with a click of this button. No mask! no hose! just sleep. Give me this thing. Where are you going? i'm going to get inspire. Inspire. Sleep apnea innovation.<\/a> Learn more and view important safety information <\/a>at inspiresleep. 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Government and justice department <\/a>took actions against the latest attempts by vladimir putin <\/a>to help donald trump into the white house. The announced charges against two employees of rt, the russian state media company.<\/a> The pair deployed nearly $10 million through a network of shell entities to direct a tennessee based company that publishes englishlanguage videos on multiple social media channels including tiktok, x, and utah. And youtube. The ap points out it describes it as a tennessee based content creation firm <\/a>with six commentators and a website identifying itself as a network of commentators that focus on western political and cultural issues. That description exactly matches tenet media, and online company that hosts videos made by wellknown conservative influencers tim poole,<\/a> benny johnson <\/a>and others. Joining you now is mary mccord, cohost of the msnbc podcast,<\/a> prosecuting donald trump. Mary, this is quite an indictment to go through. Let's talk about the tenant part <\/a>of it. It is the most revealing and fascinating getting a peek behind the curtain and how this was working. Right. It is a direct effort to be able to influence, through use of americanbased social media, websites, platforms, the american <\/a>population. That is classic and russia's intent is to influence not only our policies, policies toward ukraine, but also the election this year, 2024. In doing that what they did was use personas,<\/a> created fake people to engage in engage with the founders of tenet media.<\/a> Who have also been identified in other journalism today,<\/a> other reporting today. And to have them hire commentators who are wellknown rightwing, oftentimes extremist commentators with heavy social media followings.<\/a> Hire those commentators and then use the indicted individuals in this indictment who are based in georgia to really base the sourcing of different types of content on the media platform.<\/a> That content would then be driven by these commentators. They would post it themselves. They were creating videos, sometimes multiple videos per week, based on these directions coming straight from russia. From russia today <\/a>in particular. That content then of course gets picked up in the social media circles <\/a>who follow those commentators and it gets spread by americans. I think that is the key, because russia's intent with this operation as well as the doppelganger operation <\/a>that was also announced today where domains were seized by the u. S. Government. The intention is always to get americans to do this to americans, unknowingly. Right and we should say that the times has reported that the u. S. Intelligence community assesses that the russian apparatus favors donald trump in this election, which i don't even think you need an intelligence apparatus <\/a>to come to this assessment. Because ukraine and donald <\/a>trump says there will be peace there and seems to be more favorable. We should note that the eye popping thing to me is folks like tim poole and benny <\/a>johnson, these are not the brightest or most sophisticated individuals, but they are getting enormous amounts of money from these foreign they get a contract to be like we will pay you $100,000 for one monthly video a month for five months, $500,000 from a european businessman <\/a>and they put out sing this today, like we are the victims here. We had no idea that this happened. But they are throwing a lot of money around. $100,000 per video is not bad. A lot of money and even the second founder at one point in the indictment notes that communications with this persona, one is supposed to be the investor bankrolling all of this and others are supposed to be content producers. There is even a warning. You know, with a budget of like $2 million for these commentators, it is going to be hard to actually pay for that through ad revenue <\/a>and website traffic <\/a>and the response was, it doesn't matter. There is also an amazing moment i have to point out, which is at one point one of the executives at the media company sends an email to the european businessperson,<\/a> the sort of fictitious entity created to be the client for all of this. Of course none of this is disclosed on the website. No one's ever disclosing any of this. They don't get a response. And they google, what time is it in moscow? they put in the indictment that we know, that they know that the people working in the media company maybe had a little bit of an inkling of where the money was coming from. No question and the founders, the indictment was specific that the founders were a fair days were aware and participated. They referred always to the russians when they were talking about these various personas who were supposedly, like you said, european investors <\/a>and others. I am a little perplexed about why the founders have not been indicted. They are foreign nationals, but they are here in the u. S. It could be that they are cooperating. They are certainly on notice now. Normally you would think you would return the indictment first against those who intend to take custody of and prosecute and we are not going to be able to get custody of the two people in russia, so i might've thought this would come out in reverse, which is why i am anxious to learn what will happen with these two founders. Because the government is clear in the indictment that they were witting. Others were not, but like you say the quantity, the money involved here really was sort of a red flag.<\/a> Act, when a random european wants to be $100,000 for a video, as a journalist you don't ask questions, you just take the money. Mary mccord,<\/a> thank you. It is not just coming from overseas. The election interference <\/a>coming from inside the house, thanks to the world's richest man. That is next. Oh! hold up! earn big with chase freedom unlimited <\/a>with no annual fee. 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Foreign interference in foreign interference in american elections is something we have been on the lookout for since 2016, but there is also a really disturbing information environment in america <\/a>right now domestically. Nothing to do with illegal foreign interference. In fact it is american as apple pie.<\/a> A long tradition of rightwing cranks. The world's richest man in elon musk is trying to control american politics.<\/a> He talks to donald trump several times per month according to reporting in the wall street journal.<\/a> Trump expressed interest offering <\/a>musk a role in his second administration. An idea must enthusiastically embraced yesterday. Because elon musk runs one of the most influential platforms or use too, formerly known as twitter and has turned that into a pro trump,<\/a> pro authoritarian disinformation machine <\/a>where he post vile bigotry and disinformation <\/a>that millions of people see and share. Despite his sights on policy that you may not share synthetic or manipulated or out of context media <\/a>that may deceive people. Muscat does that basically all day long. On monday he posted this weird a. I. Generated image of what is supposed to be vice president <\/a>harris, but does not look like her in a soviet era uniform <\/a>commenting, she roused to be a dictator on day one.<\/a> Can you believe she wears that outfit? that post alone was viewed more than 81 million <\/a>times, at least according to twitter's metrics, which who knows if you can trust them. Then there is this from yesterday. An hours long interview between tucker carlson,<\/a> remember that guy, and a nazi apologist.<\/a> In that video he says how they were not prepared for all the detainees and people just died in the camps. Later muscat deleted the post,<\/a> but not before at least 8 million <\/a>people saw it. If you go on twitter you likely saw it yourself,<\/a> because since he took over the algorithm has been tweaked to make sure every post by elon musk is seen by everyone. Documents last year showed that musk ordered his engineers to build a system promoting his posts to everyone on the platform, regardless of whether or not they follow him. Which is, let's be honest, probably the real reason he bought the thing in the first place. Ryan is a technology reporter <\/a>for the new york times <\/a>who covered the rightwing pairing and an article on how the republicans chose elon musk. He joins me now. Ryan, i think that musk's presence on the platform is one of those things where it is a little like donald trump's social media presence <\/a>where if you are not exposed to it all the time, you can't really appreciate like how extreme it is. How constant it is. How many blatantly untrue things it almost rivals trump in its presence. It is also like a fire hose.<\/a> He tweets sometimes more than 75 times a day. It is really hard to keep track of anything he is doing at a given time. It really creates this kind of flood the zone affect <\/a>were again if you are not paying attention to everything he is saying, it is easy to dismiss. This weekend and yesterday,<\/a> there are some pretty insane tweets. A tweet this weekend saying he thinks that women shouldn't vote, essentially. Yesterday's tweet endorsing the nazi apologist.<\/a> These are kind of out of bounds <\/a>kind of things that he has mainstreamed now with his followers. It also seems like in ways the entire platform seems more and more engineered to that sort of troll list,<\/a> rightwing politics. As embodied by him that gets promoted to everyone and other people on the platform and people he interacts with. Someone posting something clearly untrue or a gross conspiracy theory <\/a>or innuendo that nancy pelosi's husband was not actually attacked randomly but was engaged in an extramarital affair that went bad and interacting with that such that it boosts the signal and this is happening all the time, it seems. It feels like people who have engaged with that content are emboldened to do so. They have also bought blue checkmarks <\/a>through the verification program <\/a>that he is now selling for i think eight dollars <\/a>per month. This is what elon musk is now. When he took over the platform again he tweeted that conspiracy theory <\/a>about paul pelosi <\/a>being attacked by a supposedly ever, which of course was not true at the time and kind of formed you know, kind of showed the path he was on in terms of his radicalization. I don't think his interior states matter <\/a>that much to me, but what's the deal? he pledged tens of millions of dollars to trump. He clearly is close to him. He wants them to win and has used him on the platform. How symbiotic is this relationship? it is unclear what he wants out of this. I think he has a lot of things that he values. He is worried about immigration, for example. He is worried about voter security <\/a>for example, but there is, you know, it is unclear what he is going to get out of this. Especially with trump being wishywashy on electric vehicles, for example. They talked about creating a position for him in the government, in the trump administration <\/a>if that happens and he has talked about a willingness to do that, so that is probably a start. We should note that one of his obsessions, in my lifetime <\/a>the two most significant lies on social media are about vaccine and dangers and about the election being stolen in 2020. These are the two most consequential in the time i have been covering it and on the election stuff <\/a>this is mainly what he posts about. Arizona and voter rolls.<\/a> They are doing everything they can to cheat in the swing states.<\/a> He says absolutely. Researchers from a center that study this, 50 instances this year that have been debunked by fact checkers are spread widely anyway. None of the posts display the community note <\/a>adding context, calling into question the effectiveness of the user driven fact checking systems.<\/a> This is something to keep your eyes on as we head into the election. I will be checking out your new book, out september 17.<\/a> You can see it over his shoulder. Character limit.<\/a> Thanks a lot.<\/a> Thank you. Coming up,<\/a> with 62 days to the election all it took is for president biden's approval ratings <\/a>to soar, is him dropping out of the race. That's next. 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Wages, salaries, manufacturing investment,<\/a> growth, up. Inequality, down as well. Biden did that but it was never really reflected in his approval numbers. He simply couldn't win. A funny thing is happening now. Now that he is out of the race, guess what? president biden's approval rating is as high as it has ever been. At least in years. According to a new suffolk university poll <\/a>taken in august before he dropped out of the race, 48% of voters approve of joe biden, his highest approval rating in the poll since his inauguration. It is especially stunning when compared to the last poll in june when biden was still running for election. He was underwater by 17 points. Now he has erased that deficit. It is not just that poll, biden's approval is up and pulls from npr and the wall street journal.<\/a> What changed? did everyone suddenly realize how good the economy is? did they see the other night how border crossings <\/a>are way down? probably not. Traditions in america have not changed, so what changed? well, biden did. It seems clear that whatever they thought of his agenda, a significant portion of voters thought he was too old and held it against him and many reevaluated their feelings when he did that remarkable thing and stepped aside and endorsed kamala harris. It is now that he is not running that his numbers are good. Much more in state in line with the state of the economy on his watch. It might be a tough pill to swallow for biden, personally, but it must be tougher for donald trump. The trump campaign's main line of attack against kamala harris <\/a>is to try to tie her to biden's record, which made sense when biden was underwater by 15 points, but now that he is as popular as ever, it kind of sounds like malarkey.<\/a> U're helpm with savings, right? () i wish i had someone like evan when i started. 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Gummy vitamins from nature made, the #1 pharmacist recommended vitamin and supplement brand.<\/a> Across the country, across the country, millions of children are going back to school, the chairs time of year that has now , as of today, been stayed by eight increasingly ghastly ritual. Authorities say an armed tina <\/a>went on a shooting screen <\/a>armed teenager went on a shooting spree.<\/a> The suspected shooter, a 14 yearold is in custody. Late this evening, they interview the suspect and his father back in 2023 about a reported online threat of a school shooting that contained photos of guns. They said that at that time, there was no probable cause for arrest or additional law enforcement action.<\/a> It is at this point, i guess, a fixture of american life.<\/a> It's unique to our nation, doesn't happen anywhere else. There are more than 400 school shootings <\/a>since the columbine high school <\/a>shootings in 1999. Gun violence <\/a>at school in that time. When it comes with how to deal with school shootings, there are glaring policy differences between the two major clinical coalitions in america. Democrats, including kamala harris, want to start doing something about the problem. It's just outrageous that every day, in our country in the united states of america, that parents had to send their children to school, worried about whether or not their child will come home alive. It is senseless, we have got to stop it. And we have to end this epidemic of gun violence in our country once and for all. Meanwhile, revoking like donald trump want to do nothing. That is, by the way, literally, literally what he told an all right presidential forum nra presidential forum. There was great pressure on me having to do with guns. We did nothing. We didn't yield, and once you yield a little bit, that's just the beginning. That is the avalanche begins. Colorado governor <\/a>jared polis, hails from a purple state seen its share of mass shootings. He has done something, signing six gun safety <\/a>bills into law this year. Is also a surrogate for the harriswalz campaign.<\/a> Now, governor, it's good to have you on. Awful news out of the state of georgia today.<\/a> Given the fact that it is an election year <\/a>and there are policy contrast,<\/a> your reaction as a democrat and a governor? well, first, my condolences to the families of the four people who were lost, the nine who were in hospital care.<\/a> Just a horrific, horrific tragedy. While we cannot eliminate gun violence, we can absolutely take steps at state level,<\/a> federally, to reduce it. One thing in colorado we have done is you have to be 21 to buy a gun. You can't just go into a store as a 16yearold and purchase <\/a>a gun like you can alcohol or cigarettes. We've also instituted a way that families who are worried about a kid's mental health <\/a>can temporarily remove any guns that they may have access to. These are just examples. We encourage working with nationally with the federal government to improve gun safety. We have got to do more. At the same time, colorado is the state of hunters, people who have owned guns for home defense <\/a>and it's entirely consistent with our second amendment <\/a>rights to take commonsense steps <\/a>to make colorado and make america safer.<\/a> Yeah, let me just follow up with that. Colorado is a state, it's an issue state <\/a>politically. The terrain has shifted a bit but it's something where because it is a western state, because folks are outdoors a lot and because people do use guns as recreation, have the politics there, are they still what they have been? is it still sort of like a brutal fight every time you try to sign legislation on this? you know, most gun owners <\/a>agree with these commonsense measures. For one instance, passing the laws, safe storage <\/a>in a vehicle. You can't just leave your gun out on a car seat <\/a>when you leave your car. We encourage somebody to break in the window. When that goes off, it could be used illegally. These are commonsense things. Responsible gun owners <\/a>always secure their weapons and frankly, responsible gun owners <\/a>are often disappointed by those who don't and understand that we need more responsibility for those who choose to own a gun, either for self protection <\/a>or for sport. Many coloradans do and we need to do better to keep america safe. These are commonsense measures <\/a>that, again, won't and every problem our country has with gun violence but will absolutely reduce crime and make our country safer. The harris campaign <\/a>obviously sort of shot out of a cannon because of the conditions under which it came to be. The switch announced by joe biden stepan down <\/a>stepping down. I guess in the five weeks since she's been the nominee, there has been a rollout of a bunch of policy agendas.<\/a> One of the things they been talking about this week during their tour is a small business agenda,<\/a> particularly the top line they announced of the policy. I thought it was pretty interesting and striking. A 50,000 tax reduction <\/a>for small business <\/a>start up expenses, which would be, i think that is a really large expansion of an existing tax deduction <\/a>and i wonder, as someone who started as a small businessperson before you got into politics, what do you think about that? i think it's absolutely incredible. She said the goal of 25 million <\/a>new businesses as part of her opportunity agenda.<\/a> I mean $5000, and for anyone who started a business, that's almost a joke. What can you do for $5000 these days? to start a business, it can easily take tens of thousands <\/a>of dollars, even more, and to be able to deduct up to $50,000 when you need it in the first year and rolls over to the second year, that's a big deal and it sends a message to encourage entrepreneurs to take that chance and start a new business. She also is proposing really breaking down barriers to government contracting.<\/a> Making sure it's not just controlled by the big guys and that somebody starting a new business can also bid and provide a good deal on all the types of things that we need for the public and the military. Before you came on, i was talking a little bit about the approval rating for president joe biden <\/a>and the fact that, to my mind, his personal approval rating didn't quite sync up with the kind of macroeconomic trajectory the country is going in. Someone who got us someone who has a very vibrant economic state and is also in the position to where you had to weather from your perch all the supply shocks <\/a>and getting back from the pandemic, how do you see the trajectory of his economy right now? i think the approval of joe biden is to say thank you for the past. The excitement about kamala harris <\/a>is people being excited about the future and her plans for the future. The opportunity agenda, 25 million <\/a>new businesses, reducing taxes for parents and families in the middle class. That's a big deal for people to be excited about and of course, it's easy to say thank you joe biden. Infrastructure investments,<\/a> recovering from the precipice of the pandemic. It's time to move forward, and kamala harris <\/a>is really laying out exciting, bold new agenda <\/a>that will help encourage more americans to be able to succeed and do well in our country. Jared polis,<\/a> which in colorado, served in the house as a democrat for a long time. Thank you very much, governor. Appreciate it. Thank you, chris. All right, that does it for us on all in. Alex wagner <\/a>starts right now. Good evening, alex. Good evening, my friend. I've got to say, there's a lot of serious stuff to talk about. There's some not so serious, and i mean in particular, j. D. Vance and donald trump to stock up his talk about, and there's the uniquely american war that we have to talk about all too often on the newscast like this one and the one that you are just ending that too much. Bad stuff. That stuff. Thank you for your coverage. Thank you. Today, the country experienced another uniquely american tragedy. When a gunman walked into apalachee high school in winder, georgia, and killed at least four people and wounded at least nine more. 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