Absolute insanity and many of the same politicians who want to slash resources for Law Enforcement have also declared that their cities are saying sure is for criminal illegal aliens. From moscow thanks for joining us. 3 am here in the capital im daniel kids and we start with breaking news here on our Senior Member of britains labor party has reportedly appealed to the countrys independent broadcast regulator ofcom asking for r. T. To have its license revoked the letter appears to be from joe stevens the m. P. For cardiff central spoke about its contents. While this last appears to be the fallout of the highly anticipated and much delayed report that was released earlier this week in the u. K. Now that report assessed the possibility of the extent of russian interference in u. K. Politics as a whole and it came to the sensational conclusion that it was quote the new normal and that the kremlins moss to mind in key decisions from bracks to the Scottish Referendum to the general election in december 29 t. But i gave up no proof to substantiate those claims on t. V. Though did get a shout out in the report alongside thoughts on trolls all channels accused of distorting information in order to breed discord in a bid to fracture western societies now seemingly on the back of the fact a leaked and i will say unverified matter has come to light allegedly from stevens who is the cultural secretary so high up in the labor party and the left who was sent a part of called which is the u. K. s independent regulator and essentially follows all news outlets and make sure that every single step impartiality. Now in that letter stevens is requesting that license to broadcast in the u. K. Be reconsidered. Im writing to you in the light of the troubling revelations in the russia report about the role of r. T. And sputnik in spreading kremlin backed this information in. Winter to last its high Court Challenge to off comes fine lord just a demon said in his ruling that biased reporting of the novi choke attack in saw is very at the hands of the russian state caused actual and potential harm that damning judgement has now been reinforced by the long delayed intelligence and Security Committee report that exposes the role r. T. Plays in the much wider issue of russian influence i am writing to request it off calm urgently reviews arties license in light of this report into request a meeting with you as soon as possible to discuss my concerns about the broadcaster. No i think the 1st reaction many people have is what about the freedom of press what about the right to have access to various sources of information but even if we do put that to the side i think the 2nd coming on that on the heels of that will be how is it that a politician and then left it official considers that are the more you are indeed legally sound to put pressure on an independent organization and on the basis of war of commons internationally recognised as being incredibly professional and of course highly competent to refers to troubling revelations in the wake of the russian report but off come for all these years has seen fit to allow r. T. To broadcast in the u. K. So why is that being questioned it is beginning on forced need to look a bit like policy from the labor party on wednesday we heard the labor lead. In parliament face off with the Prime MinisterBoris Johnson that he echoed this very last he license to potentially be revoked youll see said that with Jeremy Corbin having now left him at the helm labor was changing and his attitude towards r t was change need no longer be giving interviews so lets listen to that exchange between those 2. Distortions in the coverage provided by russian state and International Broadcasters such as russia today the high court has ruled that russia today broadcasts actually the potential harm just the Prime Minister agree with me that its time to look at good but the licensing for russia today operates in the u. K. Its a big deal but this is because were getting this would come more credibly from the leader of the opposition had the cool guy these former the former leader of the opposition when he took money appearing on russia today i mean this would be protest this would be protested neither against the leaders of the for many of the opposition stands nor against his willingness to take money from russia today he flip flops from day to day me just because its not the 1st time that r. T. Has been subject to debate and discussion in the parliament probably the 1st time that its come from quite such a high level and so directly to off called how is already responding now while this lesser again i say has not been verified and r. T. Has issued a response queering a number of points but undoubtedly for the channel the main concern is this idea that a politician is actively interfering in the business of an independent body. It is wholly inappropriate for the leader of the labor party to make such request of the government and indeed a ministers like jay stevens to directly place political pressure on off it isnt for the government to interfere in the role of an independent regulator nor is it appropriate for the labor party to seek to play on do you pressure on an independent regulator were concerned about the politicians not about of calm. And of course this is not just about r. T. We have to look at the Bigger Picture here what else could be deemed worthy of being shut down and it sucks me worrying that politics and independent media bodies are being really dangerously entangled here sure and the sort of trigger behind this debate in parliament behind the letter to some extent was the long awaited report which came out a few days ago what was the sort of. Wild the socalled russia report had been in the works for 18 months there was so much hype built up around it everyone expected after all of that time that that would become some kind of a bombshell revelation but it really failed to deliver in that regard it was an incredibly it was a highly reductive document for starters and in fact a key section of it in which there was apparently very Important Information proving that russia was meddling in the british democratic process and was not included so it ended up being a lot of unsubstantiated allegations made into a lot of questions rather than answers you need reminiscent of the similar intelligence reports in the United States where ati got a mention as well we covered this publication of the report just a couple of days back lets take a quick recap what exactly was that thanks for joining us asking to get a very brief summary of the long awaited russian report we can go straight to page 13 of the document the written evidence provided to us appeared to suggest that h m g had not seen or sort of evidence of successful interference in u. K. Democratic processes seems to be enough so if youre short on time or dont want to read heavily redacted intelligence and political spiel scott whats in no otherwise lets go on open source studies have pointed to the preponderance of pro breaks it all and he used tories on r. T. In sputnik and the use of bullets and trolls as evidence of russian attempts to influence the process weve sought to establish whether there is secret intelligence which supported obama. On these studies in response to my 5 initially provided just 6 lines of text the reports authors were seemingly surprised by the limited response of the Intelligence Services but not because those agencies may have more important priorities such as protecting lives by tackling International Domestic terrorism or serious crime apparently more resources are needed to keep track of social media and arties editorial policies and coverage breaks it polarized millions with several broadcasters coming under fire but its still russia that poses the risk and the Security Services that arent doing their job this is about the protection of the u. K. s democratic process and mechanism from hostile state interference which should fall to our intelligence and security agencies after all moscow has been waging influence campaigns targeting u. K. Politics through Digital Media wealthy individuals organizations and almost any other means the report warns the threat of russian influence is a hot potato with intelligence and other agencies shirking the responsibility of taking the lead in tackling it and reassuring the public amid widespread allegations of again the impact of such influence remains elusive. The impact of any such attempts would be difficult if not impossible to was since and weve not sought to do so state agencies havent looked closely enough for open Source Information according to the report they lacked a retrospective assessment and intelligence agencies in particular need a more Important Role in future the committee was struck by the relatively small proportion of work that is carried out by the agencies in relation to russia in any case should they consider other threats to be a higher priority they can always fall back on trusted russian experts to lead the way Christopher Steele author of the infamous anonymous Golden Shower dossier and contributors that the institute for state craft and Integrity Initiative a project founded to tackle the russian threat receiving state funding to advise the states that russia is a threat and moscows response was swift and predictable as was the final conclusion of the long awaited russia report showing yet again that any reproach went with the u. K. However small is still be on the horizon. Ok lets go live now to legal analyst and International Law attorney jennifer to master and investigative journalist David Lindorff thanks so much both of you for joining us today good to have you on the program jennifer can go to you 1st perhaps what do you make of this letter from joe stevens to off is it a surprise that m. P. s are asking for arties losses to be revoked. Its not a surprise at all unfortunately im just you know im a little bit glad to see that the u. K. Is finally catching up to some of the russian collusion narrative propaganda that weve seen here in the United States from of course the New York Times c. N. N. And this and some of these other major Media Outlets the fact is weve been seeing this in america at least for so long and im more concerned about why were seeing why were seeing this information from our own Media Outlets than that but this would not be a surprise if this would come from this specifically an m. P. That aligned with the labor party of course you would be against regs it and some of these other kinds of stories but i mean we continue to see this push cancel courts or if you will or this push to remove certain things and the same narratives over and over i couldnt help but almost laugh when you see that Christopher Steele himself as a source of this u. K. Russia report its almost like he is the designated person within the United Kingdom for anything any sort of narrative that needs to go against russia or russian propaganda or russian narratives that the u. K. Or the United States needs to have so i think they should really try to branch out their intelligence operatives that write or comment on some of these reports because in the United States right now christopher seals under a lot of scrutiny for what his sources were and how he even came across this information so its a little troubling but of course there is there is in substantial evidence to continue bringing this. Is of course an independent news were going to it should be immune from but its. All the one anybody can write to the regular to complain to express their concerns thats every everybodys right critics also knows it really is what im paid to do. Well coming from the us you know we have heavy political. Control over the licensing of stations and broadcasters so well you know it doesnt look strange coming from the u. S. We are f. C. C. Is completely political and what weve seen with the russia issue is that we basically had congress and the state department declaring our t. To be a Foreign Agent and reporters from r. T. Had to register as Foreign Agents. And so it makes it makes a real joke out of the whole thing you know they dont i think theyre starting to do it with china you know the. People staley and so on now. But they havent done it to the b b b c which is a British News Agency or agents france press but. You know it speaking as someone who lived through the cold war when russia was behind everything including behind every mailbox this sounds awfully like the mccarthy era when and they just have forgotten that russia isnt a communist led you know country and there isnt any common turn trying to take over the world it illogically. Really is anachronism what were what were seeing i just want to come back to something you said jennifer which is the u. K. s catching up as you said on some of the narrative weve seen in the west and we can see some powerless have with them one report with the only inaudible which mention doughty as well the 7 pages up on the mentioning. Law title. Do you think what is set to go down the same paul have because none of these reports the russian report 55 pages have any overt act that really came up with any solid hard evidence that russia was meddling into fearing in fact quite the opposite. And weve actually seen the same in the u. S. I mean we still see the narrative in some of our own Media Outlets that it was a russian bots and russian troll farms that actually hacked the d. N. C. Servers but in fact theres been no evidence of that and the only u. S. Case that actually tried to try that case against a russian firm the firm one heavily against similar Investigation Team i mean the court so there was absolutely nothing there but of course our media doesnt do that now when it comes to you know david was absolutely correct on on on far of guidelines and what the state Department Said but here is the heres my problem with all of this were seeing propagandists information from multiple Media Outlets and its not like theres been any hidden hidden meaning behind what that is that letter and stands for russia today and so theres no theres no kind of covertly ideology which is not what weve seen for example from the chinese and from others which the u. S. Is obviously going after so what my question is is how dumb do politicians think the average public is how done do these politicians think people are that we cannot choose where we get our news from that we cannot choose where we get our information from and were seeing the same thing there i think u. K. Is going to go down the same path as us unfortunately because they have tried to set up a population where the same political leaders who are saying this is propaganda we cant have this in your also the same ones that are trying to control like you said these independent organizations who allow Media Outlets to come in theyre also the same politicians trying to control exactly what news people can hear and so it seems like its a pot and kettle kind of situation where they only want the public to hear certain things and they dont want the public to be able to choose and use our own brains about what we what we know. David something jennifer as well you know this russian report for example various allegations of meddling of influencing of Clandestine Operations being being mentioned that is very different to news media is jennifer said people have a right to choose where they get their news from isnt a covert organization its quite clear that you know the russian state funded should there be a law and drawn between the sort of allegations being made against russia and its alleged plan thats the activities and a News Organization which has to abide legally by what off called states by the offical guidelines houseful of follow those guidelines as have many broadcast this and you know doesnt the anything well you know you may have a different situation in the u. K. Than we have in the u. S. Because nobody can tell. Me that they cant tell half the story you know. You cant go to them and say you dont youre going to get your license because youre only telling half the story if they did that fox would be off the air already and emission b. C. Also so News Organizations in the u. S. Have complete freedom to lie to. To give half a story and leave the other half uncovered. In the u. K. You may have some standards that are being applied to broadcasters we used to have something called equal time for political stories and thats been done away with so there is no constraint on what broadcasters can do here if im not sure i mean if kim actually has actually has the right to criticize r t because theyre telling part of the story and the other part that could be a problem i dont know what legal analyst and International Lawyer attorney jennifer the mosque and investigative journalist David Lindorff thanks both for coming on great everyone as always and have a great weekend. Thank you. 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