One week until lection day 2020 pole sitter poor girls insulting frank luntz is my guest on this in. The fall to on larry king one week until election day early voting has hit record levels was so was the number of call the 19 cases poll certain for going song a good friend frank glance as it was as the homestretch of the strong biden contests we ever seen anything like this. No i dont want to see anything like it again the truth is im heading tonight to see the game 6 the world series because i just need to clear my head and i know that thats not a great strategy with exactly one week to go before the election but just maybe a little bit of baseball would give me a way to get through the next 7 days when i havent as yet anything concrete debated. The problem is that both candidates are being rewarded for not being specific both candidates are being rewarded for not being detail that downtime still doesnt have a clear covert plan because he keeps denying it significance and joe biden will not tell voters what hes going to do with the Supreme Court or the filibuster because he knows it will eliminate either is base or swing voters and so both candidates are being rewarded for doing this and the American People instead of getting the details and the facts and the substance of the American People are just getting platitudes and Ugly Campaign ads and a debate that was a little bit better than the 1st one but still not as affirming as we have the right to expect how does that affect the polls. Well id have now said and im prepared to acknowledge it on your show that if the pulses get it wrong this time theyre done industrys done the profession is done that they were so clear d in proclaiming Hillary Clinton the winner in 2016 and they were wrong and now theyre doing the same thing with joe biden 20 twentieths donald trump can come back and come found the experts the polling profession is finished as a profession. And wanting a pulse is telling you. Theyre telling me now that the undecideds tend to be trump voters who like what hes done but dont like how he did it they like his agenda but they dont really like him versus a joe biden who they like very much theyve come theyve become accustomed to him and very positive in reaction to him as a person but not so positive to his agenda which im not sure that they know and so the chum people seem to be coming back and basically those last undecideds are splitting off based on 2016 vote and based on their own partisan leanings what that means is a slightly closer election and weve seen that over the last 96 hours but only slightly closer in the margins and dance trump right now are significant and i dont see how theyre overcome. As soon. As cases since the vandeman began trunk continued to acidic under is rounding the corner do you see that i can see that i can see that because the travel that ive had to do in this campaign i cant see that because of the people that i run into that when you look at the statistics its clearly significant and a threat and the problem now is that nobody wants to be locked down nobody wants to go through the process as we went through in april and may. And that may be required and the other aspect thats a problem is that its now affecting those communities that it did not attack before kobe used to be an urban a city virus now its affecting all those communities that never touched in small towns in Rural Communities and by the way larry when i find most impactful from a political standpoint is at the very people who down from said dont vote by mail dont trust it vote in person those are the people who are most likely to be denied the right to vote or the chance to go because of covert spreading and it. It just adds an extra layer of chaos to an already chaotic situation at least 5 of my vinces aides including his evil self have tested positive when we were in the war is an old is a big issue. Because everyones been testing positive because weve lost a lot of people because its now become a fact of life that every day its the best way i can equate it and i was barely alive fort but its what happened in vietnam. When every night Walter Cronkite would lead would read the number of people who were killed or wounded and they became just numbers we heard it and saw it every day and it stopped having impact on us i think the same thing is happening right now or kobe but i take it seriously because the numbers are just so significant if trump loses we assume its real cause of covert yes much as whats what you and i talked about before we went on the air much as Herbert Hoover was the Great Depression was the last because of that event were going to say the same thing and in fact id say to you im prepared to say now having watched the 2 debates and where we are as a country that donald trump actually would have probably won reelection if kobe did not happen because it affected not just the virus not Just Health Care but the economy and jobs and Government Spending and taxes and the debt and i think that it also led to one of the reasons why we had such significant social unrest earlier this year is that people were frustrated and they were angry being held up being locked up and that was part of a reaction to what was happening to them none of this would have happened if cope with not happened and so i understand why downtrend why dollar trump hates the Chinese Government so much because theyd been just a little bit more honest and a little bit more forthcoming maybe looking at 4 more years how come we never got it wrong around us i dont think have a believed that i think in the end he thought that was a mess that he was told by the Chinese Government that it wasnt a big deal that he was informed that it was all in their control and then when he realized that thats just not true it was too late he was already. Mired in what was happening and this is not an easy thing for a country like ours to deal with if your a totalitarian or author were tearing governments you can lock people up in their homes easily its what you do every day politically or economically this country was experiencing the strongest economy in 50 years this country was experiencing real job growth and wage growth and then when all that went to help people were really pissed off about it and they frankly they didnt want to stay at home they wanted to work they wanted to enjoy their newfound Economic Prosperity and trump wanted them to do it but in the end and ill give you one polling statistic to back this up we asked a question which is a higher priority to you. The your health and safety or your economic safety and the public chose health by 2 to one over economics and i dont think trump is expecting that choice. The wrong people around him are going to miss. Knowing they have the wrong people around them i think dr fox has done an outstanding job i think his staff has done an outstanding job how could he miss is that the chinese were not honest or forthcoming they simply told the world that if it thing was fine that there were no problems and the chinese they went and then they traveled during the Chinese New Year they went to all these countries as though everything was ok and they brought the virus with them its funny or ironic that they can go to china but they went across the globe and right now im getting reports that the chinese economy is back on track that their growth rate is now exceeding 5 percent at the same time that we are still in deep trouble not that they meant to do this not that that this was premeditated i do not say that at all. But china has economically benefit from benefited from this state been responsible for the deaths of over a 1000000 people and when asked in wonder whether theyll be any response from those countries who face this look were all in this together whether its Climate Change or cold it or any of these issues that are global in scope were all in this together and it may surprise you to hear it from me but i really do accept that weve become an interconnected world and we just need to be honest with each other empathetic with each other so sympathetic with each other and we have failed in that nature we failed on the global scale and we failed on a local scale thats not the kind of guy trump is. Your connector of is not far sighted but it but hes also a very strong individual and willing to speak to to power trump is not afraid of the New York Times is not afraid of the leaders of china and there is an advantage in having a president and that isnt afraid and thats willing to hold people accountable the problem is that thats not what were looking for right now the american merican people want to hug not a not a verbal barb they want someone who feels them not just someone who who intellectually understands whats going on in contexts houses of polling the view him asks you good this is a failed way you go and how you see things. Well my mask is actually about 10 feet away from me on my dining room table fortunately im not polling any one of my home so that helps i have not done any in face focus groups i have gone out to do want to one interviews and 3 on one interviews in fact i was just on the road this weekend ive been on the road now almost straight for the last 2 months and unlike you i went through a health scare for a while and i have to be careful that said i need to keep listening and learning from the public and as understanding where they stand is really essential and its never been more sense of the now to try to be able to explain both the hopes that people have hopes and dreams and to be able to explain their fear and anxiety and larry let me just answer one more question that you didnt ask i wanted to know what the phrase was and the word was to best describe the American Election so we asked people we gave them a number of different choices the number one word is exhaustion people are just exhausted by what weve been through for the last year and the number one phrase that they said best represented their point of view about the election overall i am so tired of being so tired and i get it i feel the same way. We come back well get frank luntz is what will help them know them both more with the great frank wants us. To. Tell look forward to talking to you all that technology should work for people. Must obey the orders given by human beings except where such orders to conflict with the 1st law show your identification for should be very careful about official intelligence and the point all v. C. Is to create trust everyone and then fear. Carries chozen with Artificial Intelligence will something that the. Robot must protect its own existence its existence. With. Anybody who thinks that because go by just won the election we our problems are over that is simply not true the problems were there before President Trump theyre not going away you have grounds for the economy in the long run were going to have a huge gap to pay for the things youre going to do 3rd we still have a problem in the United States which is racism and we have too many young are going to american. Jails are going possessions in search of some of those problems have been there or dropped and simply allowed to dont produce not does not sell them. Well good bye good politicking continuing conversation with frank luntz on. The nations top pollsters political consultant and master messaging we have to get a prediction from frank a final prediction and will though than to it was going to have a moment of the eye unless unless the polls are really off and unless something significant happens in the last 7 days because so many millions of people 45000000 people have voted already and were going to get over 50000000 within the next 23 days we never had went by the way we could have more people voting by mail and voting early than actually voting at the polling place on election day so so much of this is already baked and its already determined i dont see a downturn catches joe biden i think that biden winds i dont think its a blowout i dont think its a landslide and by the way i dont think its a mandate either and heres the reason why we asked people voting for biden and voting for trump is their vote more for their candidate or against the other candidate in downtimes case 80 percent of Donald Trumps voters are voting for him and only 19 percent of voting against biden and joe bidens case 54 percent a bines voters are actually voting against our trump and only 46 percent are voting for joe biden thats significant that tells me that this election is a referendum on down trump rather than a choice between trump and buy so at this at this stage i see biden is wearing but not an endorsement of him simply a decision that they want to go in a different direction on the National Scale big or not. Huge turnout a bigger turnout than anything weve had in more than 50 years everybodys voting in fact some people have only twice im going to chicago alexion day because i have my grandfathers coming back to vote hes been dead for 40 years but they tell me hes going to vote on election day in chicago. What were above this whole campaign as you viewed it trouble do the most or the days when you said i cant get a handle on this i found the industry would so let me off you the place that i got the handle on i 5 and i finally understood what was happening based on my focus groups over the president ial debates those undecided voters are undecided not because he disagree with the 2 candidates on policy is because for downtimes case they think is a ministrations been fine they prove of his tax policy they prove of what hes done but they dont like him they dont like his approach they dont like his language and dont like how he deals with people they love joe biden they really find him to be a decent and a kind in the visual and empathetic but he wont tell them where he stands on issues that matter to them so they refuse to back him because they think that hes hiding something therefore they have to decide which is more important to them downtimes persona or joe bidens policies and thats why theyre undecided they cant figure that out yet thats been the greatest conundrum whats bothered me the most was that 1st debate and candidly i was in the hall and if i had not been given a pass to attend i would have stood up i actually thought of standing up and saying everyone shut the hell up answer the questions and stop being rude to each other it was such an embarrassment so frustrating. But thats how they behaved and the American People were just as angry as i was president term hasnt mentioned wrigley. Nor has he mention malan vallas lately what do you make of that he cant because hes republicans to vote by mail and in its republicans to participate in every possible way and if you discourage people from voting early then what happens if cove it really strikes in the next 7 days larrys been going up every single day its going to become more and more difficult for people in certain communities to go out and participate poll workers are going to want to participate and you cant shut it down at the last minute i dont know with of the impact that its going to have its going to be significant bringing down a very really diverse less will term do well i think hes going to see ever so slightly better among hispanics and latinos particularly male hispanics and latinos i think his vote total in 2020 is going to be above what it was in 2016 converse lee hes doing worse among women and in fact the general gap in this election cycle is going to be higher than it has ever been that basically most men are voting for trump most women are voting for biden and im surprised that the divorce rate is not higher right now because of it. What would could change the whole picture. Terrorist attack in the last 7 days i dont believe the scandal will change because trump has been trying so hard to show that biden is corrupt and i dont think that is landing with any boaters. The ads wont change at the rallies wont change it the speeches wont change it its going to have to be some major event that would frighten me because it would have to be so significant at this point again if the polling is correct. But if the polling is wrong then my profession is not just going to have egg on its face its going to have a pioneer face is going to look like soupy sales back in the 1960 s. Thats a reference for us. To the polling a surprise. That the public is very willing to explain where they stand ive had no trouble pulling out peoples opinions and fact thats usually been the problem in in my work because i do focus groups as well as quantitative polling that people are forthcoming that they dont explain how they think and how they feel that they are really closed not in a selection everybody wants to be heard my problem areas im not convinced everybody wants to listen and learn. And was the best of times it was the worst of times court order encourages you about this. By the way you mention best times worst of times i love that book i would say you that Donald Trump Campaign is almost like. Frank sinatra id be playing New York New York at all my rallies and id be playing my way at all my rallies so i get that. It was a very good year is another one. I think what surprises me is that the public even with a health scare is willing to come up come out and show up for down trump even though hes down and most down in every poll and even though most pundits dont think hes going to win that theyre willing to be heard theyre willing to be seen and even to put their own health on the on the line to let their support and their voices be heard by by People Like Us im surprised at the intensity of these rallies and how he can still really wepa crowd. Frank buzz in the face of his seems stupid to you why would you go to a rally ok then youre going to say that im stupid because i want to see this i want to know whats going on i want to talk to people i will stand away from them i will have a mask on i went to the Peace Agreement between israel and u. A. E. Because i knew how historic it was it not been done in 27 years i went to Trumps Convention speech because i was invited i wanted to see these events i