Transcripts For ALJAZAM Real Money With Ali Velshi 20141212

ALJAZAM Real Money With Ali Velshi December 12, 2014

With russia. Vladimir putin is trying to make a new friend, and it may catch american businesses by surprise. Im David Shuster in for ali velshi, and this is real money. Just hours before the federal government runs out of money, a preliminary spending deal has proven to be just that, preliminary. John boehner pulled the bill from the floor after he realized he didnt have the votes to get the bill approved. Democrats bolted over controversial items known as riders that had nothing to do with government spending. Congress could still approve a temporary stopdevelop measure, but even that agreement is not guaranteed. Months of negotiations may go out of the window. The office of management and budget began briefing on the protocols for Government Shutdown starting at midnight. The biggest item that riled up the republicans was the big b k banks. Congress passed the doddfrank law in 2010 to protect from future shocks and the bailout of americas banks. But the bill would have undone a provision in that law requiring big banking to separate derivatives. It would have late banks trade swaps. Some say the change would leave tax payers on the hook. Thor issue was a tenfold increase in what political donors can give to political parties. That money can be used to fund party conventions, buildings and election recounts. The government funding bill would have raised the cap to a whopping 324,000 per individual. There was a lot of stuff inserted that had nothing to do with federal spending, and in this case so far it hasnt helped. Libby casey has the latest from capitol hill. We worked through this process in a bipartisan way, and i do expect it to pass, but if we dont get finished today, well be here until christmas. Reporter it even won backing from the white house, it includes funds to fight ebola and the group known as isil and a small raise for the members of the military. The president supports this proposal and would sign it. Reporter but the devil is in the details and as members dug into the specifics, they found plenty of reasons to fight it. So here we are in the house being blackmailed, being blackmailed to vote for an an appropriations bill. Reporter House Democrats upset over provisions to raise Campaign Contribution limits by big donors, reducing Pension Plans for retirees, and roll back provisions of the doddfrank financial reform giving bank ks more freedom to hedge their risks. This is about reckless behavior, and a give away to the largest Financial Institutions in this country, and its up to us to say no. Reporter some conservatives say this green lights too many priorities such as obamacare. Reporter we need to be able to hold funding back. Reporter in february, the g. O. P. Will control both bodies of congress and will have more leverage to fight the president. At this hour, it appears that the Republican House is still about 40 democratic votes short of having the votes to pass this. In other words the president at this hour is trying to twist arms of members of his own party in order to get them to support this. For more on congress and the prospect of another Government Shutdown is Michael Shure joining us. A battle between nancy pelosi and the president of her own party. What do you make of it . Yeah, barack obama against nancy pelosi, against senator warren and maxine waters. The president has done the lobbies and the Vice President , and his chief of staff went up to the hill to try to lobby this bill. Its a really unusual set of circumstances were seeing right now. And there are some options for this to go forward. There is a double continuing resolution, they could put one together to fund the government for the next few days while they work out the detains of the continuing resolution. So its not exactly what the leadership wanted and they are trying to wrangle to see who is going to take the blame as well. Maxine waters from california came out and told reporters that she was unhappy with the white house lobbying, that she was uncomfortable with that kind of pressure. When its her own president that she is uncomfortable with, isnt that embare racing for the white house . I would say it is. A lot of democrats woke up astonished that the white house said it would sign the bill. Because all of these things are a real problem for democrats, so it took away any chance of bargaining this bill down did they have it at all, so its not good for the white house to have these people against them right now. And as far as Campaign Finance changing, if in fact the cap is lifted from 32,000 to 320,000, what does that do to the system . Well, listen, a lot of people are saying that these moneys are not necessarily to go into the pockets of candidates and campaigns. Its more to the structure of the national party. You know, this is what we expected in 2010 when we got the Supreme Court involved in this case with citizens united. These are the types of things that can happen, there is no limit to it. So i think its going to poison the well for a lot of people and also make it very difficult for people to run for office, and that is something that people have started talking about today for the very first time. I heard that on the house floor today, that you are not going to bet the best and brighter, because they may not be able to get access to that kind of money. Given that view from some democrats on the house floor and their desire to have that aspect changes and the doddfrank provision reversed back, does it make sense for the democrats to continue to hold out, and they look, we are not going to pass this unless you strip it out. Who blinks first . Yeah, thats the game, its pelosi or boehner. The republicans dont want to begin 2015 talking about extending the budget. They have a whole agenda that they feel they were sent to washington to accomplish in november, so this really sets that back. There will be no regular order in the house or senate when they get back. On the other side, the democrats, this is their last gasp. They dont have a lot of muscle in the senate after this, and their numbers have dwen dwengd dwindled in the house. To john boehner i imagine would blink first. And sthen nate democrats down to candidates for at least until the beginning of january, you can got to imagine that harry reid is saying go for it House Democrats because it makes his house easier if the democrats are able to get some things pulled out of this bill. Yeah, thats a really important factor, and the senate sort of says above the fray. But, yeah, i think you are right, harry reid wants to see this drag out more, because they know come 2015 they are not going to be able to exact very much out of the republicans. Michael thanks as always, we appreciate it. Just ahead on real money, the head of the cia strikes back. Youll hear how he defended the agency, and what world he refused to use. And how the cia managed to spend hundreds of millions of your taxpayer dollars on the enhanced Interrogation Program. And why this is looking for a very merry and green christmas for the men and women who sell Christmas Trees. Well bring you the latest as the clock ticks towards another Government Shutdown. Today the director of the Central Intelligence agency contradicted the findings of a Senate Intelligence report, and said people subjected to enhanced interrogation techniques provided rare intelligence. John brennan refused to call the techniques forth torture, but he said some cia officers used abhorrent berthouds. Mike viqueira has more. Reporter john brennan has been hit by outrage and calls for accountability. Today he took a rare and dramatic step. A press conference at cia headquarters. He wanted to answer the critics and shore up moral at a agency under siege. Yes, some interrogations at times went too far. I consider them abhorrent and i will leave to others how they might want to label those activities, but for me it was something that is certainly regrettable. Reporter but he disputes a major finding of the Senate Report, that the information obtained from some of the socalled enhanced interrogation techniques yielded no actionable information. There was very useful valuable intelligence that was obtained from individuals who had been subjected to eits. Reporter but would have interrogators learned the same information if prisoners werent subject to the same methods. There is no way if to know whether or not some information that was obtained from an individual who had been subjected at some point during his confinement could have been obtained through other means. Its just its a noble fact. Reporter his remarks come as he and the cia are hit by harsh criticism. Mark udall on the senate floor wednesday. Director brennan and the cia today are continuing to willfully provide inaccurate information, and misrepresent the efficacy of torture, in other words the cia is lying. Thursday the president brushed off questions. Just before the speech the white house praised brennans record of service. It makes him someone who has the full confidence of the president of the United States. Reporter part of brennans goal buck up moral. Cia officers are operating in some very, very dangerous places on behalf of their fellow americans. So there is some concern and disappointment about what has happened reporter he was clearly uncomfortable with all of the scrutiny. I think there is more than enough transparency that has happened in the last couple of days. I think it is over the top. Reporter and throughout his speech, it was really interesting, david, diane feinstein, the chairman of the Senate Intelligence committee who unveiled this report on tuesday afternoon was tweeting john brennan offering a running technique of what he was saying. Afterwards she put out a statement that was largely conciliatory, but she is still taking question of whether it is unknowable of what these techniqued yielded. There also seems to be a distinction between feinsteins report saying hey, the most valuable information came before there was enhanced interrogation techniques, and brennan said there was some information that came afterwards. That daylight between them, is that enough to keep this going, or do people say this is a disagreement, and were going to have to leave it there. Reporter there is a lot of outrage. Certainly its the white houses goal to let the clock run out on this thing, and let people move on to the next controversy. The president doesnt want to talk about this, itself unlikely were going to hear from him any time soon. But on whether or not the intelligence was useful gleaned from these techniques, he walked right up to it, did john brennan, he used the word subsequent to the harsh interrogation techniques there was information that was useful, particularly in hunting down osama bin laden. So walking a very fine today was john brennan no question about it. You remain so plugged in to capitol hill, you dont think there is going to be a Government Shutdown, explain why. Reporter yeah, nobody wants that, not even the hardest of the hard core. They are talking about a stopgap measure to take them into next year when the republicans are running the house of representatives, the burden is not just on democrats to put this bill over the top. They wouldnt need democrats if they had a significant majority of republicans to go along with this. There is a revolt on the right. They dont like that it leaves obamacare alone, and leaves the executive orders largely alone. What were seeing is welcome to a lame duck presidency. You have president obama on the phone trying to get the rank and file to change their mind with voting for this. Last thing we heard he was cooling his heels outside of a closed door democratic meeting about what they dislike about the way they have been treated by the white house. Its an indication of how difficult it will be to get anything done over the next two years. David . Mike viqueira at the white house. Thanks as always we appreciate it. Weer want to continue the conversation about all of the money. The Interrogation Program at the cia, there is a piece titled what u. S. Taxpayers paid to build and run the torture program. We started by asking for the figure . We cant know is the crazy part. We know at least 380 million. But definitely more. Throughout this report you see a dollar sign, a reduction sign, and then millions of dollars. And some of that money went to entice some governments and local officials to allow a black site to be built. Absolutely, you see a continuing problem where the u. S. Built more of these black sites than they could use. There were two countries where the built the prisons, and then the countries shut it down. There were other countries that were getting cold feet. So they had to come up with a way to pay these countries off to have these black sites. When they were shut down, that in and of itself comes with a cost, correct . Yeah, absolutely. They talk about two sites that were completely built and never used because they couldnt get the permission from the country. We went to some country, built a prison, and then left it there. What were some of the enticements and what stood out in terms of the creativity that the cia had in terms of trying to get these governances to agreeing to something that maybe they felt squeamish about. We know they were being creative, but we dont know exactly what they were doing. There is an exchange where a agent is told to get creative. We do know that the cia approved the list and added on even more and sent it back, and that allowed the black site to keep operating. Somebody in the program said they had more money than they thought they could possibly spending. Its incredible, you see these agents talking about how they didnt even bother counting it. These are suitcases full of 100 bills. And its all part of the black budget. And it probably went to some very bad people. It also goes to paying off officials to stay quiet and not talk about it. Is there any indication of how much was involved in that part to keep people from talk about this we dont know for sure. When were talking about the country governments, they never say for sure, except its in the millions of dollars. When were talking about the 22 of people who were wrongfully detained, tortured, and released with hush money, we dont know. There was a german citizen who was taken by the u. S. , tortured and then let go with about 17,000 and the clothes on his back. You have been reporting on this story for quite sometime. What jumped out to you about the numbers and also what was in the Senate Intelligence report . The Senate Intelligence report maybe unfortunate did not bring us a lot of things that we didnt already know. But it did give us a graphic picture of how widespread it was. It turns out there were more prisoners, more water boarding, and enhanced interrogation techniques that were used. Its more a focus and this report, what is new about it is how intense the cia was about claiming that the torture techniques were effective. That they launched Public Relations campaigns after the killing of osama bin laden, and in congressional testimony, and in briefings to the white house where they said this is working, where it seems from the Senate Report that it didnt result in actual intelligence. So all along, they think 380 million, whatever the figure is that congress has told about, well, its for a good purpose. Now we found out that theres a view that it didnt really produce any actionable intelligence, and the money was a lot more, and intenth spent on a lot more places than we thought. Absolutely. When you look at the cias own files, it really underscores the tragedy and the mess that has been made since 9 11. When the new cold war began, russia probably wasnt counting on the plunging price of oil. Vladimir putin is making new friends. Well reveal who he is talking to in just a few minutes. U. S. Oil prices today fell below 60 for the First Time Since july 2009 oil fell down 44 from the peak in june. The global plunge in oil prices is bad news for countries like russia that depend on oil revenues for a huge part of their economic output, at in western sanctions, the country is on the brink of recession. The ruble continues to fall. Russian president Vladimir Putin is trying to forge stronger ties with asia. They struck deals with both china and turkey, and today met with the indian Prime Minister in new delhi. Reporter reaching out to old friends at a time of need, facing increasing pressure from the west because of the ongoing crisis in ukraine, the timing of this meeting when russian president Vladimir Putin, and indian Prime Minister in new delhi is significant. And the message from moscow is clear, we still have friends we can rely on. Translator our bilateral relations have been elevated to the level of specially Privileged Strategic Partnership and continue to develop dynamically. Reporter this is the is 11th summit that putin has at techeded here. This trip comes after that of the chinese president , and before a visit by u. S. President barack obama in january. International relations is changing. However, the importance of this relationship and this unique place in indias Foreign Policy will not change. Reporter moscows focus appears to be helping new delhi meet its growing energy needs. They announced they will build ten Nuclear Reactors with russias help. The indian Authorities Say Power Production has already increased by a fifth. New delhi and moscow have agreed to work more closely across a whole host of sectors, and for the prime these deals are about leveraging what india does best. That includes cutting and polishing die amongeds. India processes

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