it makes for the traffickers millions of pounds. i think that we need to smash those gangs. which is very similar to what the government says, too, but that does not seem to change very much, the national crime agency is already working on this? before i was a politician i was the chief prosecutor for five years of england and wales, we had to deal with terrorist plots, we had to deal with those that were smuggling guns and drugs into our country. the way we dealt with that was to join with other countries where those gangs were operating and take them down using data, sharing intelligence, having joint operations, i�*ve done this before, i am convinced that it can be done in relation to these gangs. that is where i put my political muscle, if you like, rather than a gimmick which is the rwanda scheme. so i am absolutely up for this challenge, i know we have got to get to grips with it, i went over to europol to talk to them about what sort of further