Donald trump promised to be a disruptive president. Right now the thing hes disrupting the most is his own White House Team. He now has a new Chief Of Staff and a new Director Of Communications, but what he seems unable to shift is the sense of a presidency in crisis, at odds with republicans in congress and still dogged by federal investigations of russias alleged meddling in last years election. My guest is sebastien gorka, a Deputy Assistant to the president on National Security. Where does the Trump Presidency go from here . Sebastian gorka in washington, welcome to hardtalk. Thank you, stephen. I want to begin with something you just said five days ago, you said, the atmosphere here in the white house is absolutely wonderful. Weve got a new broom sweeping through the Communications Shop in Anthony Scaramucci and we are humming along on all cylinders. Plenty has happened since then. Whats the atmosphere in the white house like today . Fabulous. I literally just left the oval office where we swore in General Kelly as the president s new Chief Of Staff. It was like a family gathering, great, great, great mood, lots of press interest, so we are very excited about recent developments. Are you . Quite interesting, this is a heck of a family youre living in at the moment and mr scaramucci, who you so warmly welcomed last week, with his words to the new yorker has surely throwing a bomb into the building behind you, the white house. Not at all. I know thats what our colleagues on the hill on the left and in the Chattering Classes of the leftist media would want people to believe, but its not at all like that. We dont live in the Rarefied Bubble Of Pabulum and boilerplate and assessing about things that arent real, such as the russia collusion delusion. We have a job to do. The president in the last six months has achieved things that most president s to achieve in years, if you look at immigration, the economy. We broke an historic record for the Stock Exchange just in the last two days. So the fact is we are excited, the agenda, make America Great again, is working. Weve strengthened to the team. We have people who can communicate to the base that elected as president in the form of anthony and we have a 4 Star General who, in six months, turned the department of Homeland Security around, made the illegal migration across the southern border drop not just by 10 or 50 but by 73 . And were just going to keep on Going Forward despite what our detractors wish to say. What Anthony Scaramucci said, and of course he pre empted the departure of Reince Priebus, was the Chief Of Staff at the time, since gone, was a bleeping paranoid schizophrenic, he said the chief strategist in the white house was pursuing his own brand and used a sexual euphemism that i cant repeat to suggest that he was somebody that scaramucci did not rate in the slightest. He also suggested that other white house staffers in the Communications Shop as you call it would have to take Lie Detector Tests because he was going to bleeping kill all the leakers. That suggests to me that this is the most deeply dysfunctional White House Team i can possibly imagine. Then how do you explain the results, stephen . I mean, literally, we have had 2a weeks in a row. Market breaking records. We have seen illegal migration planet. Weve seen a to revitalise. Weve seen 800,000 jobs, almost 900,000 job. With respect, none of those pieces of data. How is that possible . And none of those pieces of data reflect my question at all. They have to be connected. My question is how do we regard the white house as anything other than deeply and profoundly dysfunctional today . Because it isnt. If you want to persist in harping on about fake News Concepts of whats going on in the white house, i actually work inside the white house and i can tell you there is no crisis and we are creating the results expected of us and which got the president elected. You can live on that illusion if you wish. Look at the track record. Im going to look at the track record but i want to take seriously what your Director Of Communications said. He said, for example, he would get Lie Detectors in to find out who was leaking from inside the white house. Have you faced yet the prospect of taking a Lie Detector Test . I dont work for the comms shop, i work for the chief strategist, stephen bannon. I dont really wish to comment on what i think was meant to be a private conversation between anthony and this reporter that the reporter clearly recorded. Its just sleazy journalism. Its just unseemly. We have a leak problem. If you look at the congressional report from last week, weve had 125 leaks in 126 days. 62 of them have been deemed by congress to be of National Security import. That is a problem that will be dealt with, not primarily by antony, his remit is the comms shop, but when you have a 4 Star General like a General Kelly come in, the Chief Of Staff is responsible for things like discipline, and these things have to end because it is bad for National Security. With that in mind one more question about the teamwork and the way the logistics works inside the white house. Anthony scaramucci made it very plain that he reports directly and personally to the president. He said that at a time when Reince Priebus was still Chief Of Staff and it was clearly frankly some kind of comment on his relationship with Reince Priebus but to the best of your knowledge, is scaramucci still going to have that direct personal route to the president or, as in most presidencies, is the new Chief Of Staff going to be the gatekeeper who controls all access by others to the president . The Chief Of Staff was literally sworn in about 52 minutes ago. So he is setting in place the procedures by which he will run the white house internally. Where anthony fits into that, youd have to ask General Kelly or talk to anthony but lets give him more than 52 minutes and find out later in the week. Lets talk about the relationship between the white house and the us congress. Would you accept that on a series of different matters, from the failure of a key plank of mr trumps policy agenda, that is the repeal of affordable healthcare, so called 0bamacare, to the congressional reaction to mr trumps comments about the Attorney General, the republicans in the us congress are deeply out of sympathy with and alienated from donald trump today . I look at it significantly differently. You call the president a destructor, in many cases he is, hes a positive Disruptive Force in washington and thats why we call washington the swamp. The thing that has to be remembered is that he may have formally been the gop, the republican candidate for president , but donald] trump wasnt an establishment individual. Think about the fact, the First Time Since 1766, the first time in American History we have a president of the United States who has never served in Public Office before, not even as a governor, and who has never held senior Military Rank like eisenhower or washington. First time ever. Stephen, why do you think that is . Because the American People are fed up with the establishment writ large, including the gop, leftand right. Looking at the last 20 years they say you havent served us well, whether it is wars in iraq, afghanistan, the state of the economy, the bloated government, the fact if you get a job in government its a job for life. The president is not from the establishment. As a result, members of the establishment gop will probably have problems with him but if youre surprised then you havent watched his campaign and you dont know who this man is. Interesting analysis but if i may suggest one of the reasons the gop, the Republican Party, is so concerned about Donald TrumpsFirst Six Months is that his Approval Rating is at historic lows. Politicians look at the polls and whatever you say about the markets, and indeed its true, the market is high and unemployment is low, but the bottom line is even with the economy performing well, donald trump is historically one of the most unpopular president s after six months in the entire history of the United States. Stephen, are these the same polls that said brexit wouldnt happen and hillary would become president , are they the same Polling Companies . Im talking about the way the Republican Party is reacting to the popular disapproval of donald trump. What do you base that popular disapproval on . Polls that predicted there would be no brexit and that Hillary Clinton would win. Those polls . Youd better ask the republican politicians because im going to quote to you the sort of politicians, like for example jock grassley, the chair of the Senate Judiciary committee, whove looked at the way donald trump has hung out his Attorney General to dry, calling him very weak, saying he is disappointed in his beleaguered Attorney General, and Chuck Grassley say, this is wrong and if you even think about firing him, we in the senate will thwart your attempts to appoint a successor. Thats what i think is the problem with the establishment on the hill. They dont understand. Last tuesday i flew with the president to youngstown, ohio, where he had a rally and you should check out the footage of that rally, this is steel valley, where the factories were closed down because of outsourcing and other issues in the last two decades. We are talking about a political type a rally, a president ial rally, eight months after an election. The atmosphere was electric. They barely allowed the president to talk because they were chanting so much for his agenda, make America Great again. Doctor gorka. I need to finish, stephen, im going to finish. I need to make a point. I didnt suggest donald trump didnt have passionate supporters, thats not the point i was making. I need to make the point the polling you are referring to has become like phrenology, its a fake science. The few pollsters that Rodrigo Duterte a job and dont have d plus ten samples that over sample democrats in their polling, like rasmussen. Rasmussen just established a poll and just published one last week where they have 70 , 70 of the american populace are finally optimistic and happy in their general situation and their expectations. How is that possible, stephen, if they are displeased with the president . How did we win a majority . You are shifting the ground because you dismissed polls and now you want to trade polling data. One of the few that gets it right. I could say ten polls if you want to do that that say he has historic low Approval Ratings. You can make your point about polls, i will make mine. The bottom line is this, if you take the reaction of the Republican Party both to his treatment of a Republican Attorney general that he appointed, jeff sessions, and if you also look at the failure of his signature policy platform pillar, that is to repeal 0bamacare, you look at a president who after six months cannot get the support of his own party in the us congress. Yeah, because the establishment doesnt understand what happened on november the eighth. Lets be clear here, you said 0bamacare repeal and reform was a signature platform of his administration, not correct. It was important that the signature 3 part platform on which a billionaire Real Estate Magnate from new york became the most powerful man in the world was to revitalise the economy, build the wall and defeat isis. That speed 3 part platform and we are going to make those things happen. With 0bamacare, the president , in recognition, really you have to doff your hat to him, in recognition of the checks and balances and division of power in america said ok, gop on the hill, congress, im going to let you lead the way on 0bamacare reform. Why . Because theyve been talking about it for seven years, stephen. Not the president. The president has been in office for seven months. These people have been saying for seven years we will repeal and we will reform and when he says gentlemen, lead the way, what happens . They failed. Not donald trump, the republicans failed and now theyre trying to make it look as if this is Donald Trumps fault, it isnt. They failed. Youre making my point that there is now a profound rift between the president and the Controlling Party of both houses of the us congress. But lets move on from that and lets talk about the impact of the continuing extensive federal investigation into those allegations that Russia Meddled in the us president ial election, and further allegations that there may have been collusion with senior people in the trump campaign. The investigation is digging ever deeper. How on earth. And finding nothing. How do you know . What do you mean how do i know . How do you know theyre finding nothing, are you privy to Robert MuellersSpecial Counsel investigation . Ten months of hysteria and nobody, not one individual, can point to one illegal act, not one. Isnt that strange . 10 months Robert Mueller has not been working for more than a few months. How do you know that hes not finding incriminating evidence . All i know is that the bubble, the media especially, has been obsessed. Dossier this, collusion that. Its just absurd. Have you ever heard of a news story that ten months is predicated on illegal action, but for almost a year has found none . I find it Fascinating Thatjust last week Chuck Schumer from the democrats have started to admit, you know what, hillary lost the election, and it really wasnt about russia, or about james comey. When the Democrat Party is starting to give Press Conferences that says we need to look at the mirror, finally, because we havent. As far as i understand it, this is not about who won the election, but about what the links were between russian interference which you know, the fbi and the Intelligence Agencies are 100 convinced happened but the connections between that russian interference and senior people in the trump campaign. Now, we know that because of revelations in the New York Times that would then backed up by e mail evidence, we know that Donald Trumps son and Jared Kushner had a meeting, injune 2016, with a lawyer who had clear contact with the russian government. And donald trump took that meeting knowing it was designed to give dirt on Hillary Clinton. That is a profound problem for your president. No, it is not. It is not. After the statement made byJared Kushner, last week, the superb statement he gave outside the west wing, after the testimony he gave Behind Closed Doors in congress, the thing is dead in the water. You need to read how the New York Times are now distancing themselves from the story, because they reel it is a massive Nothing Burger. You know who does not believe it is a Nothing Burger . Donald trump himself. Who . Donald trump himself tweeted that he was being investigated forfiring the fbi director by the man who told him to fired the fbi director. He calls that a witch hunt. But donald trump feels under investigation, so that surely that is not a nothing buger. Lets stick to one thing at one time. You mentioned this meeting at trump tower long befo