way of, you know... i think you called it a rock and roll lifestyle, being in a kitchen. very much, it is. and i was puzzled by that. yeah. what on earth do you mean? well, it's like being on a pirate ship. it's such an eclectic mix of people that are in a kitchen that they are... and it's the most embracing of cultures. it's quite hard. it's hard work, it's physical. it can be hot and sweaty and you've got sharp things, knives, there's fire there. there's all sorts of, like... and it's adrenaline—fuelled. but it really is embracing of economic background, cultural background, race, religion, sexuality. none of it matters at all. you know, it's hugely embracing and it's the most eclectic, diverse space and it's a wonderful place of... a melting pot of meeting people, and that's what i fell in love with. reflecting on your own career, do you think there were times when you got addicted on the... on the adrenaline of it? and, you know, the lifestyle, as you've said, it's hugely sort of stimulating, but it also has a major downside. the hours are terrible.