this is the most contentious of subjects right now, notjust in uk society, but in societies across the world. you began by telling me, "you know, in many ways, i'm a moderate in this debate." can you see any middle ground here? well, i think i am the middle ground, i'm afraid. now, that may be unacceptable to the extremes, and, you know, i do get criticism from some feminists who think i'm far too moderate and i should be much more hardline. but i think if the claim is, you have to accept all the claims of trans activism, you know, trans women are literally women in every context, and trans children are literally trans, you know, no matter what age that emerges, then i'm afraid we just can't accept that. it'sjust not practical for the children, for women and for trans people, as i keep saying, because it's not in their interests to obscure facts about their biological sex — for a start, when they go to hospital, they will have to say, "i am male," or, "i am female," in order to get the right drugs and the right treatment, so there's a range of cases, where sex is really important and we're going to