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i am not sure what his exact statuses, but he is accused of a number of crimes the united states and i think he hasn't made a public statement, but if he is convicted the russians may well say you give him back and will give you your guy back. that's the way it works. now of course from a western point of view that's not terribly satisfactory because we are convicting people for real espionage or money laundering or whatever it is. in this man's case it was arms trading. and we are handing over random westerners to be bargaining chips. but that's unfortunately reflects the way in which roscoe has one escalation ladder and we have another. and there are many gaps. edward, stay with us here on outside source. ijust want edward, stay with us here on outside source. i just want to play some of the bbc interview with nobel peace prize winner who is accusing russian tv channels of now promoting the threat or even the possibility of nuclear war. threat or even the possibility of nuclearwar. here threat or even the possibility of nuclear war. here are some of the

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