destroyed the city. and we got into the, what did neil kinnock call it in that famous speech? that grotesque chaos is what he described liverpool as at the time. what is sad is i think i can remember the speech, the grotesque chaos, he said, of people scuttling around in taxis with redundancy notices to their own workers. we're showing our age in my political nerdiness. but for people who don't remember, this was derek hatton was running militant with a capital m that's the name of an organisation, not a description faction that was running liverpool council. but it made you think what at that time? well, it made me think that there must be a better way. there must be a better way. and it coincided with a, you know, a conservative government nationally, who, as far as i could see and i know there are lots of people who felt that what that government did was a negative for the city. but as far as i could see,