From our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. The super bowl ended in dramatic fashion last night. The new England Patriots defeated the Seattle Seahawks 2824. The patriots fought back from a 10point deficit in the fourth quarter. It concluded with a costly interception in the final minutes, giving new england its fourth title in 14 years. We played against a phenomenal defense and ultimately made enough plays. Tom brady surpassed joe montanas mark of 11 super bowl touchdown passes. Many consider him the greatest quarterback in nfl history. Joining me is bill cowher of tv cbs sports. His team defeated the Seattle Seahawks in super bowl 40. I am pleased to have him. Where would you rank this super bowl . It is going to be near the top. With everything you have going into it, the two best teams in football, you knew it would live up to its hype, and just the avenue and flow of it, and for a play to come down to a in at the 1yard line, it is going to be one of the top three super bowls in my mind. Just extraordinary plays. Extraordinary receptions by extraordinary receivers. Tom brady, Russell Wilson scrambling, running. Bringing his team back. Extraordinary. The other thing about it, you had a kid like Chris Matthews who weve never heard of step up, and he gets four catches over 100 yards. A kid named malcolm butler, a free agent corner, made the play of the game. A game of superstars that was yet determined by guys who came off the street, trying to utilize the moment and opportunity. Or are so many story so many things you can talk about. Yes, the play call. Unfortunately, that is one pete carroll is going to have to live with. So will Russell Wilson, although i assume he didnt make the call. How do you come back from that . How do you get right in your mind from for the next season so it doesnt have a longterm impact on you . For seattle, this is two years in a row theyve been there. For them and that team, that is not that hard. They expect to be there. As time goes on, we saw tom brady, the last time he had won a super bowl was 10 years ago. As i said, this is one of those ones where he understands how hard it is to get there. For seattle, for that young teen, they have been there twice in the last two years. I want to stay away from things like secondguessing and that, but ask the question Sports Illustrated said that was simply the most astounding play call in nfl history, and other people have said similar things to that. Explain why they passed. Why would they do that . When you look at the time, it was running down. In their mindset, they thought it was second down. If you are ever going to throw its on second down. According to pete carroll, the personnel new england had in there was more designed to stop than run. They didnt have a lot of corners. Their thinking was, you throw it here, and if its incomplete you run the ball on third and fourth down. I think the interception was the last thing in their mind. When you put the ball in the air, and after marshawn had gone three yards, you just want to score. You almost want to outthink yourself as opposed to doing the right thing and handing the ball to that back. What is the likelihood that if he had three attempts Marshawn Lynch would have scored that touched on . 99 . I think he would have scored the first time. I do too. He had a great body language. You know, again, it is one of those ones where they didnt give credit to what they can do, with that offensive line, that back. They reacted to what new england threw at them. Sometimes in this great strategical game, you have the football, and you can outthink yourself. As far as you know, who made the call for the past . Was it pete carroll . Pete lets aaron bevill, the offensive coordinator, call the plays. The head coach must take responsibility. That was not Pete Carrolls call. That happened so quickly. I dont think he gave any thought to an interception right there. His thinking was, if its incomplete, its incomplete. An interception never entered his mind. Again, the turnover never entered his mind. Without a doubt, there is no way pete made that call, but he took responsibility for it. What about a quarterback sneak . To be honest with you anything except throwing the ball over the middle, because so many bad things can happen. A ball can get tipped or intercepted. This is a tough one. You almost thought fate was on their side. The pass to kearse two plays earlier, it was just remarkable. Here comes seattle doing it again, coming from behind. They were down going into the fourth quarter, and yet they came back and had that last drive to win the game. You just thought it was inevitable. That is a tough one because you have to live with that one. No one ever says one play determines the game. That is about as close as you can get to it. Who played the better game . I thought new england play the better game. Tom brady throws an ill advised interception in the first half. I thought tom brady and bill belichick, what they did is they took the matchup of shame for eating the backfield, they took the matchup of gronkowski and the linebacker, and used Julian Edelman across the middle. I thought Russell Wilson made some big plays, particularly to Chris Matthews. Marshawn lynch ran the ball very well, but when you look at the overall picture, that interception that tom brady threw in the end zone, i thought they played a better game, but it was a game played well by both teams. It is one of the top three super bowls ever played. I do, too. It was such a pleasure to watch that game and see so many remarkable athletes doing what they do so well. I thank you for joining us. Next time, we will watch this together. I will see you out in San Francisco next year. Super bowl 50, i will be there. Cbs will be there. It will be fun. We will be right back. Stay with us. Ian bremer is here. He is the president and founder of the Global Political risk and research group, eurasia group. In his 2015 report, he writes russia continues its aggression in ukraine despite sliding into a depression. The u. S. Is considering providing defensive weapons to kiev. Europe is at a Tipping Point with an election in greece that rejected austerity. President obama returned from his historic trip to india and saudi arabia. I am pleased to have ian bremmer. Tipping point may be too strong of a word, but we will come back to that. Saudi arabia . You get a sense that this administration now believes it needs to strengthen the relationship. The u. S. Saudi relationship was not on lifesupport but certainly had a downward trajectory over the last couple of years. The saudis were more than happy to let us know that publicly. I think it was a good move for obama to cut short the cultural portion the taj mahal. And show up in riyadh. He hasnt made the best decisions on foreign trips recently. Recently. This was the right one. Everyone is secondguessing him. Paris. He should have sent biden. There is no question that sending going himself to reand showing personal support and engagement. He brought jim baker and condoleezza rice. He brought the entire bipartisan, senior team. He brought the 18. You wish a lot of those guys were in the administration these days. He brought strategy. It was good to see that the americans understand that even though oil prices are low, and we dont need the saudis the way we used to, and the middle east doesnt have the same resonance in the u. S. That it used to be have, the fact is, this part of the world still matters. We dont know what we want to do yet in the fight against isis. We can go two directions. We should talk about the saudis first. Im somebody who believes that the saudi king certainly did an awful lot to get ready for this transition before of Dola Abdullah died. When you look at the top four players in saudi politics, they represent consensus, and they are strong leaders. Theyve got a succession in place. It goes to a Younger Generation in the end. Only two things the most immediate implication of that is that saudi oil policy is going to be very stable for the coming 36 months. They want to show there is no change from what they had before. If you are one of the people who believed i thought this was possible that the saudis might take oil off the market, particularly because at a 50 price, they are running a 120 billion deficit in 2015, 1 6 of their reserves, they dont want to do that for too long. What is their purpose . Their purpose is to maintain market share and maintain influence globally. Their purpose is more directed to iran, isnt it . I dont believe. Im not someone who believes that the saudis are saying, we need to squeeze the price lower because that is going to diminish the geopolitical influence of iran. I think the saudis are playing a longerterm game. What is the Global Environment . What is their market share . What is their economy . If they were going to take oil off to put the price up, they cant do that now. Have to wait for longer. That is bearish for oil prices. Also, continuity. That is one thing. The other thing that matters for those who have seen the king recently, people say he has earlystage alzheimers. That he is not always as coherent as you would like. And i have not heard this from just one or two people, i have heard it from 10. He appointed his son as minister of defense, 35 years old. He has done his best to make sure none of the last four Deputy Ministers of defense got the job. He is not super competent. King salmon himself had been defense minister before. He clearly is setting this up for succession, but if hes not doing that well, the financial that he would move him into the crown prince slot, which would be destabilizing, is a real. That is the one i would watch out for over the next 18 months. We could be in an environment where the leader of the saudi kingdom are you saying that you think the relationship with saudi arabia is all about oil or more about the influence of saudi arabia in the region and wanting to be on their right side so we can benefit from whatever impact they might have with their friends and neighbors, and because they are in opposition to iran, hezbollah, and other shiites . They are both incredibly important, but i think the variable this all starts from, the reason why the saudis can be so influential in the region and can provide the money that sometimes works against the United States and has led to destabilization, but also is propping up the Egyptian Government, propping up the jordanian government, propping up what is left of the lebanese government, that comes from oil. What would happen if they didnt do that . Would the Egyptian Government collapse . When you are talking about an oil price that is leading to them diminishing their reserves by 6 in 12 months, you are looking over two or three yours time, the saudis would have to significantly reduce the aid they are putting in the region. That would certainly destabilize egypt. Here is what i really dont understand. Most people i know believe that oil prices are going to go back up to around 70, at least, in the next 18 months, right . I dont think that is consensus at this point. I am in that camp. The majority opinion is that it is going to stay lower . I think the majority opinion is lower than that, and i think people are all over the map about where we are going to be. There are some people who are credible that think oil could be going down below 40 and is staying there for a long time. 10 years . Three years. The reason i ask that, there are speculators who are saying it is going to go up to 70. Im going to buy as much as i can get. Its on the market. Where are you going with that on the saudi question . If you buy oil from the saudis and store it somewhere and waiting for the price to go back up. The chinese, seeing the price low, they have been buying it up. More than you need i know you dont want to just get in to oil, but on the other side, you see a lot of people saying it is going to take a long time before you to Great American production, in part because in some states, there are tax benefits if oil prices go under 50, there are insurance mechanisms. People in the industry that ive been talking to about this question, there are a lot of them that really believe it is going to take a significant period of time, even if the saudis were going to move a bit, where the oil price is going to bump back to the 70, 80 range. Let me move to india. The president shortened his trip to india to attend the funeral and he brought all these other people there. What is the relationship with india and with modi . The appearance is that those two get along quite well. President obama and Prime Minister modi. I think they do. Modi is cautious in his personal relationships. He is someone who does not respond to the kind of emotional warmth, the gregariousness that a lot of leaders then he and the president should be in a great place. [laughter] that is true. In that regard, they are both looking more at interests than is their chemistry . Modi is not a guy that you are going to have a lot of chemistry with. What is modi looking for, and what is the u. S. Looking for . What is interesting about modi, when modi meets with abe he talks about the fact that it is interesting that japan has been able to build such a strong economic relationship with their principal adversary, china. Modi thinks of china as their principal adversary. Longterm and on everything. Japans interest on the one hand, they have all of this cultural enmity, but it is not as if japan is building a massive military. India is an emerging market. They are going to start competing with the chinese head on. India really does have a military. Nuclear weapons. Yeah. They are much more natural competitors with the chinese if the indians get their act together. If there is anything about modi, he intends to get indias act together. He sees china as a potential competitor for water resources. He sees a relationship with the United States as a useful hedge. There was a lot of talk about serious longterm partnerships. Doesnt the president see the relationship with india as a very useful hedge against china . I dont think the president spends a lot of time thinking about india, but to the extent he is there and he wants it to be solid i always thought his pivot to asia was about that he would have strong relationships with chinas neighbors, india and japan, as well. South korea. Vietnam, four. Everybody except north korea. There is a question about how much obama is committed to the notion. That is more of a hillaryplus thing. Pivoting does imply that you have one foot that moves. I dont know which foot weve moved. Ok, so it was hillary it wasnt the president. Having said that, you and i have talked at length about the transpacific partnership, the trade deal. That is a big deal. Obama has spent some time working on his relationship with abe. That matters. This historic meeting, the first time an american president has ever gone for the republic day trip in india first time invited is a big deal symbolically. Obama made the most of it. I think this was a good trip. I dont think you couldve gotten much more. In saudi arabia, the present the president left with a better understanding and perhaps turning the relationship in more of a positive way . There are very serious issues between the americans and saudis on how youre going to deal with isis on the ground. What is the perception in the middle east about how this struggle against isil is handling . What is the status on the ground, first in iraq and then in syria . If you look at what has happened in iraq so far, you have had six months of bombing so far and some Ground Support in iraq. Kobani being in syria, an example of success. You want to start with iraq. Im giving you a hard time. So far, the americans believe as of now we have killed with the coalition about 6000 isis fighters. That is between 15,00030,000 total, which is a lot, but we also believe isiss recruiting about 1000 foreign fighters a month from outside. Six months times 1000, weve killed 6000, how are we doing . Are we regaining ground in iraq . We are. We are regaining ground in iraq. We are losing ground in syria although we are not fighting asthma in syria. I hear the British Foreign minister saying that, within two years, we believe we can destroy isis in iraq. He is not mentioning syria. We dont have a strategy for destroying isis as a whole. When you are talking specifically about one place that they exist, and clearly they are going to move, and they have the ability to move, they dont respect state boundaries the fact that our strategy respects state boundaries and isiss strategy doesnt come is something that gives the military there was a report in the wall street journal, an interview with the general in charge, and he says they are developing a plan to take back mosul. Its the second largest city in iraq. They are. They are clearly working on that. In terms of iraq, the single biggest thing you have to do to destroy isis is take back most mosul. Former secretary gates thinks 1000 boots on the ground thanks you need that to make that happen. Is that to advise or to fight . I would say it is more to advise. It is less than fight. It is intel. It is being able to point out targets that could be used directly by the military to oust them. It is not actually taking weapons in your hands and engaging. In syria, have we changed at all our attitude about not trying to overthrow as a top priority, Bashar Alassad . Once we agreed with the russians i dont think this is new. I think this has been coming for a few years. Is it official, so to speak . I dont think they will say it officially. No one has been speaking of the fact that assad must go, and john kerry said that relentlessly when he was going to bomb. Look, im sure that there are many in washington right now who privately dont mind the fact that two of americas principal adversaries are fighting each other. There are a lot of people in the middle east that understand the utility of that. Having said that, isis, you cant leave them alone, because they are able their brand matters, and they will gain strength from Internati