of integrity, a symbol of career and ambition and intelligence, that you could aspire to. so i think that was really important. when i think about all of the tarnish that we have on so many of our legendary figures in media, barbara walters, it never touched her. she really came through decade after decade and cycle after cycle of the various permutations of her career whether she's on the "today" show or anchoring the abc newscast or starting "the view" or doing one-on-ones with presidents, which was a must -- you had to sit down with her. she was somebody who was consistently there as a symbol of what journalism ought to be. at least that's how it was for me. >> you talk about her interviews with presidents. she interviewed every u.s. president and first lady from richard and pat nixon to barack