the catholic church. i think -- i actually spent time in the vatican interviewing women while i was here. and i was blown away. i mean, by so many things. there's so many women who are actually in charge of very important vatican offices. the vatican itself is almost half women, which i didn't know. and the one department that i was interviewing is almost 80% female. so, you know, i think that women are already playing a huge role in the catholic church. and i think that we can only expect that to continue with this new papacy. >> john, do you see a change in the role of women, in the leadership in the church? >> oh, absolutely. everything short of priestly ordination, obviously. but i think outside that realm. and in other words, if you can get past that, and i know it's hard for a lot of people to get past that. but actually, the catholic church compares relatively well to other institutions. in the united states, for example, one quarter of diocese and chancellors -- sort of the ceo position below the bishop, are women. which actually, outperform, say, fortune 500 companies, major law firms, and the military. in terms of the percentage of senior leadership positions that are held by women.