example, one quarter of diocese and chancellors -- sort of the ceo position below the bishop, are women. which actually, outperform, say, fortune 500 companies, major law firms, and the military. in terms of the percentage of senior leadership positions that are held by women. now, that said, i think it is clear that there still is an image problem for the catholic church when it comes to women. there is a perception that this is a patriarchal boys' club. i think one of the challenges facing pope francis and church leaders at other levels is to try to counteract that by in every way they possibly can, putting women forward in meaningful leadership positions so that people can see that the catholic church wants to hear the voice of women. >> we've got to leave it there. ashley, i appreciate you being with us. thank you, john allen and father cutie, as well. coming up, the center of the excitement as the new pope stepped out. miguel marquez was right there. what he saw, next, and what it feels like to be there. and later, two american college students who had a front-row seat interned at the vatican.