reluctant to get involved, public opinion has been against it, there's not a lot of support on the hill. here we are again, time and time again, we get dragged further and further in. we have to see as bob just said, that we don't really have a lot of choice, we are involved whether we want to be or not. the problem -- this could be a vietnam type problem where we back our way into this, if we don't come up with a plan about how to win. it can't just be one and done, we have to come up with a larger plan to topple assad, it has to be part of a regime change plan. >> that's part of the concern about the capabilities of anybody who would replace assad. we've seen obviously al qaeda groups in syria, the opposition is fragmented in a lot of ways and a lot of the opposition fighters are these al qaeda linked groups. as the regime changes, it's something this administration wants to provoke. >> look, let's go back to the example of libya, we had the same concerns with the rebels in