crisis. >> let me ask you, though. what i don't understand strategically, why shouldn't the republicans allow a c.r., clean c.r. to come up for a vote? because the republicans are saying the votes aren't there. the votes aren't there. if that's really true, why not let it come to a vote and take away that argument from the democrats? because the democrats are continuing to hammer that argument. if there's not the votes there why not let it come up and fail? >> well, one of the problems you're asking the wrong guy because i didn't think that the fight should have been on the c.r. i was for a clean c.r. i think that the level of sequestration -- >> you're willing to -- >> i'm one of those that did not want a shut down in the first place. i thought sequester levels was a win for republicans and we should have taken the fight to the debt ceiling where it belongs where you actually have a valid point to say if we don't have reforms, then we're going to have a debt crisis in the future. let's be responsible. let's do the difficult thing and actually do some reforms and avoid a real debt crisis where