he said he doesn't want it to live in government hands, it creates the potential for abuse. but hasn't figured out where it's going to be. could be with the telephone companies, with a third party. they even raised the possibility as they develop new capabilities, maybe they won't need to access that data in the same way. that's a big open way, though. in the meantime, it's going to continue, but at least with more safe guards. >> this has been precipitated by what edward snowden did. what did the president say about him? >> no. he said he's still, in effect, considers him a criminal. but it's incredible, anderson, and we've been talking about this all day. this speech would not have happened without edward snowden, this debate, and arguably some of these changes would not have happened without edward snowden. so in a sense, victory for that programmer who bursts on to the scene last year. >> let's dig deeper from the guardian paper.