almost unbearable in this case as in so many others, those first responders are often neighbors themselves doing their jobs for people they know and they love. in a word they're volunteers. i want to bring in jeff mcclellan, a volunteer firefighter in darrington, washington who knows first hand just how difficult finding the victims of this tragedy are. jack, i appreciate you being with us. i know you arrived to the area -- jeff excuse me. i know you arrived to the area just minutes after the landslide hit. when you first got there, what was the scene you found? >> when we first pulled up on scene, we were toned out originally for a single engine response, which usually means to us it's nothing really big. we're just going go down there and take care of a small problem. when i pulled up and saw the barn roof op the highway and all the mud and the big trees, my window was open and i heard people screaming for help. i knew it was something much bigger way bigger. something that i've never seen.