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of "the interrogator." glen, you worked at a black site. i know you can't go into details any mr. that that. >> you don't define yourself by practices of the enemy. the enemy is appalling, i dedicated my life to stopping these people. they're terrible. no debate about that. the issue is who are we? what do we need to be? torture doesn't work. it is illegal according to all laws. multiple. cite them and fill up your entire program with them. it is clear what happens. you don't talk to the wolf about what is going wrong in the chicken coop. it's obvious. it is unnecessary. doesn't work.