reports of it going 24,000 feet per minute in a descent and whether that's recoverable or not and whether there should have been a may day call a lot of unanswered questions. but from the debris pattern we're seeing here and from the way, specific parts are located, i'm thinking there was at the very least an attempted recovery almost a recovery and at that point, the aircraft did break in to pieces and was unsuccessful ditching. i do think there was an attempt to make this airplane a survivable accident. >> but miles, just based on the fact that there was not a may day call that leads many experts to believe thd to have been sudden and catastrophic. >> yeah i think it's very telling, this idea that they were somehow able to glide it down and ditch it like sully did in the hudson river a few years ago. i think is wrong. i mean if you just look at that scenario right after he took off