are, that is the symbolism of his life and the way he occupies this office, goes out to the dirty, poor, homeless, sick, reaches out to them and that's where religion has to be, going to where people are because people are no longer coming to him. >> you see the excitement of people responding to the out reach. great to have you on. it's been a long day for you. thank you very much. just quite a day here. when we come back, a lot more ahead, a counter point to the acclaim that pope francis has been getting. wopen up a lot of dawn. tough on grease...yet gentle. dawn helps open... something even bigger. go to facebook.com, dawn saves wildlife.