but the truth is the phone was the real hero here. >> it truly was. i mean, honestly my phone, before i bailed out of car, i stuck it in my pocket. the phone went into the water with me and then hours of torrential rain on it and it kept working. i had a great signal. i was able to send full videos to my wife without any signal problems, so thanks iphone, thanks verizon. >> you mentioned your boy scout training. do you think your boy scout training made a difference in. >> it made a big difference, honestly. i've been in so many other situations where we were in freezing cold temperatures camping, stuck on top of a mountain when it just all of a sudden started snowing on us without any proper gear, so particularly with the part of keeping myself warm and keeping myself calm i had experienced those things several times so i just went back to that. >> well, kerry packer, got to the say, next time i get in a near death experience i want to