in the democrat's favor. >> but cruz says conservatives stayed home and republicans adopt the same stance on immigration and other issues. is that true? >> not really. there is a big debate among republicans but carl said flatly it's not true. look, turn out was down in 2012 from 2008. so a lot of people say ah, conservatives didn't turn out romney lost. but democratic turnout was down even more than republican turnout from 2008 to 2012. a lot of people point to the state of ohio and say, you know, if more republicans turned out, romney would have won the state but if you look deep into the numbers, it's simply not true. if you look at the 2016 exit, 2012 exit polls for example, the personal of the electorate that tribed itself as conservative was actually up from 2008. the math isn't there. republicans are kidding themselves if they think they can win a presidential election