every election between 2000 and 2014 over a billion votes and found i think 31 instances of perhaps voter fraud, of somebody voting who was not legally allowed to vote in that election. and it's an infinite testable number. the non-partisan number associate with nyu has stated that you are more likely to be struck by lightning than to be involved in voter fraud. it's so, so rare and the problem is that people use that as an excuse, they start talking about voter fraud and then citizens get scared about it and afraid it's happening and legislators use that as an excuse to adopt measures to make it harder to vote. so the end result is that it becomes harder to vote and more and that's damaging to our democracy that will be stronger if we can get more people to vote to exercise that franchise and doing so. >> it extraordinary when you have the president of the ice -- united states won the election and voted in and making