didn't believe them because he was putting more stock in what his outside attorney rudy giuliani had been telling him and the negative information. and then we know following that, anderson, the decision was made at the direction of the president to withhold ukraine aid and then eventually released. this raises more questions about that connection, keras. >> governor, kasich what's if going to take for other republicans on the hill to actually speak their minds on this? is it -- i mean, assuming that there are some who, you know, believe what the president did was wrong and that it was wrong to ask china to investigate the bidens, a repressive regime like china not known for fair appear impartials investigations at the very least, is it going to take just them sensing a ground swell among republican voters. >> i think so. i think so, anderson. and look, this is the thing that i have a hard time