>> they're interviewing ambassadors who i never heard of. i don't know the people. i never heard of them. >> i don't know most of the people. if i do i met them quickly or know them very little. ambassadors and some others. i don't know -- most of them i never heard of their names. >> back now with david gergen. gloria boringen and abbey gill and david axelrod. i don't know this person is a common trope from president trump and michael cohen and and others. come to mind. i want to read something else from the ambassador's statement. quote, ambassador sondland tried to explain that president trump is a businessman. when a businessman is about to sign a check. he asks the businessman asks somebody to pay up before signing the check. unquote. i mean, i'm not sure what that means. sondland himself is a businessman and knows of what he speaks in terms of that. but it seems perfectly aligned with how the president sees the world.