about what happened here. i think there will be an interpretation of how much you care about it, and people can differ on that. but i don't think the core facts are going to be in dispute. for me, it paints a pretty serious abuse of power, and one for which the president needs to be accountable. >> the timeline, a lot of democrats are saying or floating this idea that they want this done by the new year. they don't want to go into the election year, that it's going to suck up all the oxygen, it's going to occupy the time of senators who are on the campaign trail. that comes at the expense, if that is true, that comes at the expense of potentially getting other witnesses that might involve a court battle, rudy giuliani obviously foremost comes to mind. are you okay can that kind of a timeline? >> right. well, i'm okay with the chairman's judgment on that, and i think what you're going to see is that the yardstick is going to be are we getting the core facts to the american public. if you can the that with the witnesses you got, then you do that. i think that there is diminishing curve there of return when you start engaging