those moderate voters, though, that alex talked about who were for joe biden, they're essentially two groups of folks, african americans and working class whites. i literally don't know, but i have my suspicions about mayor bloomberg's ability to appeal to them. the path to the democratic nomination lies through african americans, especially black women, and i went back today and looked. since 1968, since they started having primaries in my party, the winner of the black vote has always been the nominee. and we keep obsessing on the white liberals twitter geeks and their fine. i love them. but the real heart of my party is people of collar and particularly women of color. and whoever can show me they can appeal to that community i think is the person who is going to be most likely to win. >> kirsten, among those lines, if you're looking at centrist democrats, you have joe biden, klobuchar, buttigieg currently in the race that would probably be the -- i mean, just in terms of the highest in the polls in