they're not per harps they're not wrong. i remember it differently. i believe i was carrying out what i thought were the president's wishes. i don't recall a specific directive from the president of the united states. it locks in it doesn't dance himself from past testimony. he's in a tough spot. pleading the fifth would be bad for him. very bad for the president. it's the concession he thinks he might have committed a crime. that can't happen. he needs to give the wiggle room answer. that is other people testified, they are credible. i just remember things differently. move on. >> would that be -- >> one thing that is striking me. with talking about volker and sondland. is as they are memories seem to come back, it becomes more damaging for the president. and so their silence really may