going on here. does she agree? >> well, yeah. as she testified to, i think that what she began to notice is that, in fact, this really wasn't an irregular or shadow foreign policy effort, as some people have called it. it was actually domestic politics. she was doing national security, as were others, and foreign policy, and sondland and giuliani were taking steps to advance the political interests of the president. and i think that what she crystallized is how pernicious it can be when our national security and when our foreign policy decision-making is basically coopted or held hostage to the individual political interests of one individual. >> it's so interest, because dr. hill saw it, seems like john bolton saw it, because he described it as a drug deal and dr. hill testified to that today, and yet you had ambassador sondland, who