also, jennifer rodgers who had don mcgahn's job. i want to read a little bit of this ruling. put it on the screen. joe jackson writes, with respect to senior level presidential aides, absolute immunity from compelled congressional process simply does not exist. as the kids would say, absolute immunity is not a thing. how stark of a ruling is this? >> it is really such an extraordinary claim by the white house. that not only doesn't don mcgahn or any white house official have to protect individual conversations with the president, the white house argued they don't even have to show up. they are absolutely immune from congressional oversight. judge jackson could not be more explicit as that passage illustrates. there is no such thing as absolute immunity. however, the come mexico at this here is that what is covered by executive privilege remains