until the morning, the more president feels like he wants to fight back and he needs to be vindicated. so, that'll be a really interesting area to watch is exactly how they're going to resolve those differences. this is still a president who wants this aggressive combative defense. >> what is your best sense in terms of reporting about how close he is to the players? >> how close the president is? he's very close to a lot of them. i mean -- >> in terms of controlling what they do and giving them advice about what to say and who should say it? >> i think the president makes clear that he wants something to happen. he doesn't always necessarily telegraph what, but he'll say things like look at what notary public nancy pelosi is being. why aren't we on offense. that's the dynamic in the white house. even with the white house counsel, the president wants them to go forward and make