national security threat. when we've seen recent demonstrations of the impact this can have in the case of the pipeline seizure and the seizure of the meat processing plant. so this is a harbinger of what adversaries such as most notably the russians can do. so i think it's quite appropriate for the government to sound -- generate a sense of urgency about this in the public. >> the question becomes what do you do about it. chris, you recently tweeted saying there's no silver bullet or single action that will stop this. it's going to take a concerted and coordinated set of actions across government and industry to slow this down. even then the bad guys will look