you have to go through a metal detector and you're doing that to protect all of us. to keep bad guys off the planes with give ups or bombs. why can't you make a similar argument for vaccines in this case? >> i think you can make that argument. i think it's incumbent upon us to look at the downsides of these things. i think too often during this public health crisis and it is a crisis and talk to people you trust if you haven't gotten a vaccine yet and hash through that with them. i'm convinced that the persuasion part shouldn't be over and the punitive part has come on very heavy handed and i'm not sure how effective that will be. we have jumped to sort of max mall curtailing of liberties in hopes it would have really outcomes. in my area they didn't have school for 12 months and minimally at best. it turned out that had a lot of bad effects on kids.