general clark, this reporting defense secretary esper apparently knew about the call in late october, should that quell some of the outrage from republicans toward milley since the defense secretary was aware of it? >> i think there should be a lot of -- a lot of praise for -- for general milley for doing what he did. he took the initiative. he reached out. he did the best he could to maintain strategic stability. he did it right by the book. he informed the interagency. he had people there from various agencies. it was recorded. it was distributed in u.s. government. should be no big secret about this. and congress shouldn't be surprised. this is what chairman of the joint chiefs of staff are supposed to do. they are supposed to help support strategic stability and u.s. policy goals. that's what he did. >> former-president trump is accusing milley of treason which probably isn't any surprise. i mean, he will try to use this to his advantage. but senator rubio is actually calling for milley to be fired in light of these -- these conversations. saying he should have -- he should have to face military justice. >> well, i'm really disappointed