and almost not quite a litmus test but close to it. what you've also seen from the holy father is a focus on a broad array of values, particularly social justice doctrine, that i think is prevalent to the franciscan part of the catholic church, the jesuit part of the catholic church as phil indicated, about service. the pope has leaned heavily into refugees, into climate change and the impact of climate, into poverty and social justice issues. and those are areas that the biden administration has leaned into strongly as well. i think what you see from both is a recognition that the holy father's position on this is very, very clear, that's not going to change. but there's a wide variety of values that unite president biden and his interpretation of the faith and that of the holy father and we could focus on those rather than others that seek to divide. >> by the way, the holy father stands on who should receive communion, also very consistent, hasn't changed one bit. he feels very strongly that all